Loyalty Oath

[richlevy]

If you don't like the oath, don't take a government job. The only people besides government employees and military required to take the oath or something similar are naturalized citizens.

One question is what does Cal State do about employees who aren't US citizens?

I still remember discussing the oath with the ROTC captain who wanted to administer it to me (I was not really in ROTC, but that's another story). I was concerned about any conflict between being a US citizen and being a Zionist. He reminded me that the US and Israel have always been allies.

This was before the Pollard incident.

I took the oath and I believe in it.

I do still find it odd when I go our township meeting and everyone has to get up and recite the pledge of allegiance. To me it's something you feel or don't feel and reciting it won't change things.

Imagine making every husband in America stand up during public events and recite 'I will not cheat on my wife', as if that will cure infidelity. Do we measure patriotism by how loud and heartfelt the pledge swearers are? Do we give points for wearing a flag pin?

Patriotism means standing up for your beliefs in regards to your country, even when those beliefs are unpopular.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by richlevy

One question is what does Cal State do about employees who aren't US citizens?

All state, city, county, public school, community college and public university employees -- about 2.3 million people -- are covered by the law, although noncitizens are not required to sign.

[SteveDallas]

Originally Posted by richlevy

Do we measure patriotism by how loud and heartfelt the pledge swearers are?

Yes. Oh, yes.

Originally Posted by richlevy

Do we give points for wearing a flag pin?

FUCK YEAH!!