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Old 04-24-2008, 05:36 PM   #13
BigV
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I think morality is something we learn from our parents and society's notions, not from anything physiological.

And I'm afraid that my comment really didn't describe well my thoughts about the news story. Let me just say that I believe pedophilia to be an evil thing, because it hurts innocents and people who are not mature enough to make decisions about their own sexuality. However, I also believe it may be (MAY) be an orientation, like heterosexuality or homosexuality, not a choice, but inherent; and so, the notion of a physiological cause of morality is, as I stated, absurd. It does leave a lot of room for thought.
Cloud, I read your post a few times and I'm still confused about your position. Specifically:
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I also believe it may be (MAY) be an orientation, like heterosexuality or homosexuality, not a choice, but inherent;
To me, this says, biology. Not a choice, to borrow your phrase.

In the second half of that sentence you move 180 deg!:
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and so, the notion of a physiological cause of morality is, as I stated, absurd.
Sexuality MAY be inherent but not morality? I'm sorry Cloud. That doesn't scan for me.

I, too, believe that pedophilia causes great harm, and I am in no way defending those actions or the people who do them. But I know we are all biological creatures, and the crown jewel of that biology is our consciousness. But consciousness, self awareness, is not independent of our bodies. Knowledge can be stored outside ourselves. Laws exist outside our bodies. A machine has no biology and no morals. No machine ever committed a crime. Pond scum has biology, but no morals. Indeed, some people seem to have no morals. That make biology a necessary, but not sufficient requirement for morality.

Our physical experience in the world absolutely affects our actions. Respectfully, morality without neurology, without physiology isn't absurd; it's a book. But the fire that lights our consciousness, our awareness, our morality and our sexuality burns on a biological wick. Our bodies, including our brains, are the lamps that hold the flame of our consciousness. We are lit from within.
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