What if I said.

[Cicero]

Originally Posted by case

(Cic, you might check my grammar on that...should it be doesn't or don't?)

You must have seen me getting a compliment...... lol!

Thank you for being sweet Sky!

[kerosene]

Yeah, but I was just trying to see if you were paying attention.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Tw, you drown in Kool-Aid: the Swift Boaters were never refuted on a single point of fact. Just who processed any of Kerry's Purple Heart citations? In reply... nothing but silence. No one remembers doing them. Persons who grasp reality better than you do recall this. You, however, must not -- in order to sustain your madness, doltishness, and sociopolitical Dilbertianism. You are conspicuously out of it.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Snopes did.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

A Wiki summary, FWIW in giving a rounded view of the affair. And it still illustrates why I don't vote for Democrats these days.

[Radar]

John Kerry is a decorated combat veteran who served with honor and distinction and he had the courage to speak the truth in front of Congress when it would have been easier to remain silent. The unmitigated gall and temerity for a man who used his father's influence to avoid going to war, and who later deserted from the military to question this man's military record is beyond sickening.

The Swiftboat assholes were indeed proven wrong and lied in much the same way that most Republicans lie.

The overwhelming majority of veterans from all wars are against the war in Iraq.

[TheMercenary]

2004, two choices, both sucked, both lied, neither should have been president. Kerry and Bush were both viewed as traitors that let their country down.

[Ibby]

How was Kerry a traitor that let his country down, exactly?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

See the Congressional hearings he falsely testified in, telling the wildest stories of atrocities by US troops.

And Radar, you haven't got any proof. You've never proved any of your more radical ideas anyway -- not to me. Anti-Republican prejudice only proves you a bigot, does it not? I declare, you've turned violently left -- if, indeed, you ever left the Left. Don't go defending the myopic Democrats; they're indefensible.

The reason I protest this sort of blather as vigorously as I do is that as far as I can read the record, the Republicans and the conservatives simply aren't doing the things the radical left accuse them of; they are often proven more right in the end than the leftists, and so on.

[Radar]

You mean when he testified truthfully in the Congressional hearings about actual atrocities that happened at the hands of U.S. Troops? You may want to look up "Tiger Force" or My Lai before you run your mouth off.

None of my ideas is radical, and all of them have been proven a million times over. I don't like Democrats either, but Democrats are at least honest about their intentions. They say they want to raise taxes, and to take what we earn. Republicans hide their tax increases through inflation by deficit spending and making more money to make up the difference. The value of the dollar is reduced and we have an invisible tax. The Republicans are as scummy as the Democrats if not moreso, but they are also more sneaky.

Republicans are even more fiscally irresponsible than Democrats. They are more sneaky. They are more apt to start wars (especially unprovoked wars in violation of our Constitution), etc.

If it comes down to being robbed or being robbed and having my kids sent to die in an unnecessary, unwarranted, unprovoked, and unconstitutional war of aggression that does nothing to defend the United States and in fact endangers it, I choose the former.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

I mean it exactly as I said it, and very much not the way you want to hear it, you eccentric. I recommend you quit playing the asshole and start talking as a human being. You're giving Libertarians a bad name. What's more, you lack proof still, and seem determined to continue reciting your articles of faith -- a faith, Paul, that I do not share. I haven't seen a reason to.

Shrinking the Non-Integrating Gap is more warranted than you know, Radar. Your view is less enlightened than mine, and will remain so until you do your homework. Which will be about the twelfth of never. Your ego is impeding your learning.

[Radar]

I find it amusing that a moron with the intellect of a 2 year old has the temerity to tell someone with the education above that of 99% of the world's population to do his homework.

Your view is less enlightened than a 2 watt bulb and mine is more enlightened than the lasers shooting from the top of the Luxor hotel my friend.

I know what you meant, but I corrected you so you would seem less retarded.

John Kerry never told a single lie in front of the Congressional hearings, PERIOD. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or an idiot. That especially includes you. John Kerry has more honor and served with more distinction than John McCain.

I won't play the asshole, you've got that part all locked up. I don't recite articles of faith, I repeat the facts when you repeat lies. I set the record straight.

[TheMercenary]

The opinions of 18 men with no axe to grind vs. one man with the desire to obtain a powerful politcal position with all the perks? I'll stand with the 18.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp

[Radar]

Except they did have an ax to grind; specifically they lied in an effort to derail the Kerry campaign. I'll believe the men who actually served with him and who were on the boats where Kerry and they were shot at.

Kerry's military career is above reproach. He's a decorated combat vet who earned each and every one of his medals. He was patriotic, honest, and had enough guts to stand in front of Congress and tell the truth about Vietnam when others remained silent.

Kerry has more honor, courage, intelligence, patriotism, and class than the entire Bush cabinet, and every one of the 18 men you mentioned combined.

[Shawnee123]

Hmmm, at the end that article says only one of the men was actually on the boat...and goes on to quote others who were on the boat who had nothing bad to say.

Just sayin'

(Didja know you can't copy and paste lines in/from snopes pages?)