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Old 05-21-2003, 02:38 PM   #25
ScottSolomon
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I'm sure he had a good reason. At any rate, it's a little early to be calling the result, isn't it? Let's just wait and see.
Ah, I am sure Japan had a good reason to attack Pearl Harbor and I am sure that Osama Bin Laden had a good reason to attack the world trade center. A good reason is the most flexible type of rationale. If you simply allowed politicians to act with impunity - because they have a good reason to do things - we open the door to tyranny. Anybody can think of a good reason for anything. The fact that Bush did not make his real reason for attacking Iraq clear is what disturbs me. The fact that he and his staff demonstrably lied about Iraq to the world - disturbs me further.

Do you really think that it is okay for a politician, a public servant, to kill people without without making it clear why they are being killed? The president is not going to feel the blowback, we are. He is writing checks that we have to cash. You think it is okay for him to deceive us about a matter of grave national importance?

What if he had a good reason to imprison anyone with the moniker "Juju"? Should we simply accept that Bush has his reasons - and never ask him why you are rotting in jail? Is this the way a free country functions?

You have a responsibility as a citizen within a democracy to keep yourself informed about the actions of the people that run the government. If they are willing to lie about a war, what else are they willing to lie about? If they use bad logic and poor reasoning when they talk about nation building, are they going to be left holding the bag in 5 years? DO you think that THEY would be held responsible for the fallout?

I guess you would prefer to live in a nation like Iran, where the leaders are always right and the paeons have no right to question them. Jefferson would be rolling in his grave.

BTW -

US: 'Saddam Had No Weapons of Mass Destruction'

White House: Bush Misstated Report on Iraq
President Meets With Blair on Strategy Ahead of Speech


The Miscalculations of Yes-Men

Bush Officials Change Tune on Iraqi Weapons

USA lied about Iraq's weapons

1. Powell relies on FORGED documents to link Saddam to terror.

MSNBC: "They have been the closest of allies. But under the intense pressure of a diplomatic crisis at the United Nations and an imminent war in Iraq, the friendship between the United States and Britain is beginning to fray. The most recent strain emerged when U.N. nuclear inspectors concluded last week that U.S. and British claims about Iraq's secret nuclear program were based on forged documents. The fake letters supposedly laid out how Iraqi agents had tried to purchase uranium from officials in Niger, central Africa."

MORE: http://www.msnbc.com/news/883164.asp?cp1=1

CNN: WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors.

MORE: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/spr...nts/index.html

Sydney Morning Herald, Australia: The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, has demonstrated that UK and US intelligence authorities relied on forged documents to support assertions that Iraq was trying to buy uranium in Africa.

MORE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...583740556.html

LA Times: WASHINGTON -- Phony weapons documents cited by the United States and Britain as evidence against Saddam Hussein were initially obtained by Italian intelligence authorities, who may have been duped into paying for the forgeries, U.S. officials said Friday. The documents, which purport to show Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium from Niger, were exposed as fraudulent by U.N. weapons inspectors last week. The matter has embarrassed U.S. and British officials.

MORE: http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-docs15m...,5016930.story

And even more:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=...rged+documents

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2. Bush/Powell's UN "evidence" relies on even MORE supposedly "up to date" FORGED documents to link Saddam to terror.

CNN: Large chunks of the 19-page report -- highlighted by U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell at the U.N. as a " fine paper ... which describes in exquisite detail Iraqi deception activities" -- contains large chunks lifted from other sources, according to several academics. " The British government's dossier is 19 pages long and most of pages 6 to 16 are copied directly from that document word for word, even the grammatical errors and typographical mistakes," Rangwala said. Al-Marashi's article, published last September, was based on information obtained at the time of the 1991 Gulf War, Rangwala said. " The information he was using is 12 years old and he acknowledges this in his article. The British government, when it transplants that information into its own dossier, does not make that acknowledgement. " So it is presented as current information about Iraq, when really the information it is using is 12 years old."

MORE: http://asia.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast...rq.uk.dossier/

UK Guardian: Downing Street was last night plunged into acute international embarrassment after it emerged that large parts of the British government's latest dossier on Iraq - allegedly based on "intelligence material" - were taken from published academic articles, some of them several years old. Amid charges of "scandalous" plagiarism on the night when Tony Blair attempted to rally support for the US-led campaign against Saddam Hussein, Whitehall's dismay was compounded by the knowledge that the disputed document was singled out for praise by the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, in his speech to the UN security council on Wednesday.

MORE: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/comme...892069,00.html

http://education.guardian.co.uk/high...890962,00.html

http://iafrica.com/news/worldnews/207939.htm



And what have we found? 2 trailers that Judith Miller has been told are biological weapons labs. Oddly enough - NOT ONE TRACE OF ANY BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS HAVE BEEN FOUND!
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