There are no illegal immigrants in America

[lookout123]

Well articulated miss D. I would like to add a thought though.

I often have very critical things to say about aspects of the American system, and foreign policy, but I am not anti-American.

I cannot think of any of the American dwellars who isn't critical of some aspects of the American system and policies. But most of us still love the country and want to see it better when we leave than when we entered. Our disagreements revolve around how to make it better. AD's approach is that America sucks, Americans suck, and if we were smarter we wouldn't be Americans. May be a tad overstated, but that is the general gist of it.

[TheMercenary]

Free BJ's!?!?

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Aretha's doctor

I'd be hard pressed to find something you've said that DOES NOT "make you stupid".

Very mature - If you need to know how to use the ignore button, you'll have to ask someone else - cuz you're on my list kthxbye.

[busterb]

immigrants contribute BILLIONS more to the economy than they use in services

I kinda understand who pays for the services. But just who gets all the money from the economy? Oh right, that's part of my $29 buck raise.

[Learner]

Originally Posted by Radar

Point taken.

So you're not a complete dickhead. Praise ye.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by DanaC

AD...A great deal of what you say, I find interesting and well argued. I found our dicussion of democracy intellectually stimulating. That said, I really find your style towards the American contingent (majority) of the Cellar more than a little abrasive, and often unnecessarily so. There is a huge difference, to me, between criticising (even stridently and consistently) the American system, foreign policy, political landscape and even some cultural norms, and being anti-American. To me, you seem to have taken the latter approach.

I don't often wade into this kind of flamefest, but here goes: back off a little; get to know the individuals before you engage in boardwars. If you do that, the boardwar will be taken in good humour (mostly) and be easily put aside when done. To hurl insults (even though some are reactive) at settled members of the community is not the best way to integrate into that community. If of course such integration is your wish (I do hope so, like I say, I find much of what you have to say interesting and intellectually stimulating).

Radar hurls insults at people in his discussions and yet people still want to congratulate him on his recently acquired new job. This is because Radar has won his place in the community and as such there is a degree more leeway afforded him.

I often have very critical things to say about aspects of the American system, and foreign policy, but I am not anti-American. If I was anti-American, I would not seek to spend so much time 'amongst' a primarily American crowd. If you are critical of America, but not anti-American, then you are misrepresenting yourself in your posts and that's a shame. If you are anti-American, then I think you are in the wrong forum.

I think by now people know I have an Irish temper. I say mean stuff and things I might not mean right now, but I'll be to drunk to remember it later....

I heat up quickly, and I cool down quickly too.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Radar

I think by now people know I have an Irish temper. I say mean stuff and things I might not mean right now, but I'll be to drunk to remember it later....

Great now you tell me - You're an Asshole!

[Learner]

A handsome admission, but your arguments would get a much more considered reception if you could avoid hurling the ordure, expecially among the retiring newcomers like me, who never say boo to a goose......

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by Learner

A handsome admission, but your arguments would get a much more considered reception if you could avoid hurling the ordure, expecially among the retiring newcomers like me, who never say boo to a goose......

Yay, Learner, I went through that phase too.
Just come and hang out in the nice threads, mostly in home base, nothingland, images, that sort of thing.
This one should have been in politics, and of course those tend to get snippy.
But yes, I too don't find name-calling persuasive. Rather the reverse, in fact.

Originally Posted by lookout123

That is the second time I've seen you tell an existing dwellar to leave. .

"Telling to leave"? Who "told" you to leave? Where is your head? It was YOU who said that a community like this is pointless. Those are YOUR words and I quoted them together with my message so there would not be any misunderstanding. I was merely being sypathetic to your suffering and giving you a hand in how to relieve your frustration. But I thihk you've got an enormous chip on your shoulder and there's no cure for that, at least not any that I be of any assistance.

Jesus! You try to help someone out and they get all bent out of shape!

[lookout123]

AD - why do you visit the cellar?

[monster]

Now then, there is hope -look at how Merc has blossomed.....

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Learner

A handsome admission, but your arguments would get a much more considered reception if you could avoid hurling the ordure, expecially among the retiring newcomers like me, who never say boo to a goose......

Yet the goose told quite a different story.

Originally Posted by lookout123

AD - why do you visit the cellar?

For the same reason you do - don't you enjoy it too?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Last year I wrote an article about how Swedish society is disintegrating and is in danger of collapsing, at least in certain areas and regions. The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe. The “Swedish model” would no longer refer to a stable and peaceful state with an advanced economy, but to a Eurabian horror story of utopian multiculturalism, socialist mismanagement and runaway immigration. Some thought I was exaggerating, and that talk of the possibility of a future civil war in Sweden was pure paranoia. Was it?

In a new sociological survey (pdf in Swedish, with brief English introduction) entitled “Vi krigar mot svenskarna” (“We’re waging a war against the Swedes”), young immigrants in the troubled city of Malmö have been interviewed about why they are involved in crime. Although it is not stated, most of the immigrant perpetrators are Muslims. In one of the rare instances where the Swedish media actually revealed the truth, the newspaper Aftonbladet reported several years ago that 9 out of 10 of the most criminal ethnic groups in Sweden came from Muslim countries. This must be borne in mind whilst reading the following newspaper article:

Immigrants are “waging war” against Swedes through robbery

The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed during this past year is part of a “war against the Swedes.” This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant backgrounds when questioned about why they only rob native Swedes, in interviews with Petra Åkesson for her thesis in sociology. “I read a report about young robbers in Stockholm and Malmö and wanted to know why they rob other youths. It usually does not involve a lot of money,” she says. She interviewed boys between 15 and 17 years old, both individually and in groups.

Almost 90% of all robberies reported to the police were committed by gangs, not individuals. “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.” This argument was repeated several times. “Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.” The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you’re robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you’ve succeeded, it simply feels good.” “It’s so easy to rob Swedes, so easy.” “We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to.” The immigrant youth regard the Swedes as stupid and cowardly: “The Swedes don’t do anything, they just give us the stuff. They’re so wimpy.” The young robbers do not plan their crimes: “No, we just see some Swedes that look rich or have nice mobile phones and then we rob them.”

Why do they hate the Swedes so much? “Well, they hate us,” Petra Åkesson reports them as answering. “When a Swede goes shopping, the lady behind the counter gives him the money back into his hand, looks into his eyes and laughs. When we go shopping, she puts the money on the counter and looks the other way.” Åkesson, who is adopted from Sri Lanka and hence does not look like a native Swede, says it was not difficult to get the boys to talk about their crimes. Rather they were bragging about who had committed the most robberies. Malin Åkerström,a professor in sociology, sees only one solution to the problem: “Jobs for everybody. If this entails a deregulation of the labor market to create more jobs, then we should do so.”

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