American Excess

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by busterb

Do you really think this administration and big business gives a fuck about anything but the buck?

That is what I meant by hurt our country on a large scale. Besides crime, which comes from poverty, all the arguments are either "they are criminals" or they waste too much money.

If we were losing money as a whole, the borders would have been closed a long time ago.

[lookout123]

Second, with the number of people coming over, there is obviously something wrong within the system that is encouraging Mexicans and other Latin Americans to come over here illegally.

Wait, other than the fact that they keep coming here illegally - why is the problem in their country my concern. If anything it should be their concern and they should stay there to fix it.

Complete deportation isn't going to happen. Attrition can happen. Strong border enforcement, employer sanctions, stiffer penalty for being caught here illegally will make the US less attractive for potential border jumpers. Those that are already here illegally didn't cross the border once to stay forever more - they cross the border to see their families quite frequently. Stronger Border enforcement will prevent them from coming back. Stiff employer sanctions will prevent them from getting jobs illegally - many will look elsewhere for work - they came here for the money in the first place remember? Stiffer penalties for being caught are necessary because little to nothing happens now. It is a no risk crime.

As far as the blowback that you are concerned about, I think it is overblown when put in the context of attrition rather than instantaneous deportation. Maybe, just maybe these people will decide to do something about the problems in their own countries rather than come here.

I see illegals every single day with my own eyes. I live with them all around me. That's life in the southwest.

[lookout123]

If we were losing money as a whole, the borders would have been closed a long time ago.

No, if large businesses were losing money as a whole the borders would have been closed.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by lookout123

Complete deportation isn't going to happen. Attrition can happen. Strong border enforcement, employer sanctions, stiffer penalty for being caught here illegally will make the US less attractive for potential border jumpers. Those that are already here illegally didn't cross the border once to stay forever more - they cross the border to see their families quite frequently. Stronger Border enforcement will prevent them from coming back. Stiff employer sanctions will prevent them from getting jobs illegally - many will look elsewhere for work - they came here for the money in the first place remember? Stiffer penalties for being caught are necessary because little to nothing happens now. It is a no risk crime.

These solutions make more sense, attacking the institutions instead of the reactions to them. I still think there is a deeper problem than this that has come with trade liberalization and the fact that companies that hire illegal aliens are doing it because it will allow them to make a bigger profit. Just like the migrants themselves, these companies are making rational decisions that support their best interest, capital.

If the problem with immigration is going to be solved, there will have to be focus on the real base problem, not the reactions, because every other solution will just fall flat on its face or create new problems that will have to solved in a decade or so.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

So as long as Minnesota raises the economic average, the border states and their southernmost municipalities can suck it, right? Because they are costing us money overall, even by the admission of the most immigration-friendly comptroller this side of the Mason-Dixon line.

Oh c'mon, you expect me to give you a lot of sympathy for this problem when you refuse to give sympathy for the migrants and their problems? Blaming the immigrants is not going to solve anything, the institutions that are creating the problems are the only way this can be solved correctly.

Originally Posted by lookout123

Maybe, just maybe these people will decide to do something about the problems in their own countries rather than come here.

Can you give any suggestions on how low-skilled workers can turn their economy around, or why there is a great incentive to work here instead of in Mexico?