When Obama says things like this...

[slang]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Is it liberals that you don't like, or the concept of liberalism?

There are very few people that I can't imagine myself having a beer with, regardless of where they are coming from. If there is an ability that I have in life it's being able to relate to people one on one.

The friction starts when someone doesn't recognize when they are talking about something that I clearly don't believe in or support in any way. Or going further, that I actually despise. Read the body landguage and the tone of the people that you're around. Do you really want to irritate them? If yes, then you can normally learn how pretty quickly.

If you aren't trying to start and win some grand debate that you fancy yourself ( not you specifically ) as the world's leading authority, we'll get along fine. There are many of those people here at the cellar.

That goes the same for me. I can remember a few years ago at my brother's wedding in Pa. a re-learning experience for me.

Two of the female guests aked me to sit wth them as I was wandering around. I sat down and tried to make some small talk.

"I'm very glad to be back in Rep territory again. It just feels different being here in Pa as to being in Mass. It just seems free here." I said without thinking much at all. Most of the guests were my brothers friends and our relatives are almost all Reps. What's to think about?

The moment that I said that, one of the women got visibly red. You could just see that she was very pissed at what I would consider to be a plainly honest statement of my opinion. I can't remember exactly what she said but it was vile. Evil Reps this and W Bush that. I was shocked but I really should not have been. I wasn't paying attention.

This woman had a clearly "Hillary" hairstyle which should have bumped a message into my head. "Hey, make nice for a few minutes and bail out. She's one of those "Hillary's the greatest" bitches. Say a few benign sentences and slowly back away from the bitch."

Now I'd not say that out loud at that moment but that's what I'd think.

Do I hate liberals? No. Do I hate the ideas that they probably support and thier arrogance? Yes.

It's not my planet but if it was there wouldnt be any liberals. There wouldn't be long lines for organ transplant recipients either.

That's the reality. I can't change it. Liberal philosphy just doesn't add up to me. I'll do what I can to make the best of it. If what I used to think of as my country has changed in ways that I don't wish to adopt, I'll simply go somewhere more suited to my expectations.

[shina]

Originally Posted by slang

The friction starts when someone doesn't recognize when they are talking about something that I clearly don't believe in or support in any way.

But you can have a healthy debate without going overboard and insulting the other person's opinions. Some people do not know how to debate in good way.

Originally Posted by slang

Or going further, that I actually despise. Read the body landguage and the tone of the people that you're around. Do you really want to irritate them? If yes, then you can normally learn how pretty quickly.

On this I agree with you. Body language is a large part of communication. Something many folks do not recognize, however, I think most the candidates have this in check pretty well.

[slang]

Originally Posted by shina

....Some people do not know how to debate in good way.

In this specific case the woman was just worked up over a long period of time. A lot of anti Bush people have been. I should have been thinking at that moment.

It was clear as a bell what her leanings were just looking at her. Now days I look for people that "look like peope". It's not a mistake IMO.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by slang

... Liberal philosphy just doesn't add up to me. ....

What is your take on what "Liberal philosophy" is?

[slang]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

What is your take on what "Liberal philosophy" is?

Can we continue this at the end of Jan? I've got some urgent business to take care of.

See you then.