There are no illegal immigrants in America - Page 22

Radar · 01-03-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

OMG! We should have all just read the first post and that would have been the end of it.

Silly us!

I'm glad we finally got that straightened out. :p

Radar · 01-03-2008, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

mercy, let's take it in the other direction too.

The Constitution applies to US citizens. Ok, then. When you, a US citizen, travel to another country, are you still covered by the Constitution? A better question is this: Are you subject to the laws of the country you're in?

Someone here gets it.

Radar · 01-03-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by classicman

My dear radar - you nutty lil fruitcake - please, please, please at least keep your dignity.

( yeah, I stole ur smilie)

dignity? When did I get that? I certainly want to keep that.

Happy Monkey · 01-03-2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

The clause refers solely to the migration and importation of slaves ...

It doesn't say so. Are you bringing in something from outside the Constitution?

Slaves don't migrate.

classicman · 01-03-2008, 09:10 PM

...not by choice anyway.

Radar · 01-03-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

It doesn't say so. Are you bringing in something from outside the Constitution?

Slaves don't migrate.

They migrate the same way cattle do. Their masters take them from one place to another. Slaves are imported. Slaves are property for which you paid a duty or a tax to import. Free people are not imported, are not property, and do not require a tax or a duty. The clause can only refer to slavery and our founders said so, the Supreme Court said so, the U.S. government and every single law school in America say so, and most of all the U.S. Constitution says so through the use of words like import, duty, tax, and migration rather than immigration.

Happy Monkey · 01-03-2008, 11:51 PM

Owned animals don't migrate; free ones do.

The tax applies to imports (slaves), not migrants. The paragraph bars Congress from interfering with imports AND migration, up to a certain date, but allows a tax or duty on imports only. No tax for migration.

The Supreme Court, the US Government, and every single law school in America all say the Federal government can regulate immigration. I thought you didn't want to bring them into the argument.

Radar · 01-03-2008, 11:58 PM

Migration refers to movement, not merely natural migrations, but forced ones. The Duty and Tax refer to an imported good; specifically the slave. The importation (bringing property into America) and migration (moving the livestock...aka slaves into different states to be sold) of slaves can only apply to slaves, and not the immigration of free people.

The Constitution says that the federal government may not have implied powers or the power to restrict or legislate immigration.

classicman · 01-04-2008, 07:26 AM

Radar, you keep telling us what this or that particular passage "refers to" ??? If it is so clear, then why do you have to keep explaining what it means, is applicable to, defining or relegating?
I was thinking about what UT showed us a few days back - we are all wrong! Those guys were way ahead of us and foresaw these very same arguments that we are having today. Thats why some argue that passages or phrases in the constitution are intentionally vague. Perhaps they entrusted future leaders to do the right things and apply the "implied meaning" to the current world or situations.
Certainly they didn't want us to stagnate in our thoughts and ideas or our direction for this most awesome country. I hope that we as a people have the ability and wisdom to, as a collective, choose those leaders.

Shawnee123 · 01-04-2008, 07:40 AM

Coconuts migrate.

Spexxvet · 01-04-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Coconuts migrate.

Here's my grate

Shawnee123 · 01-04-2008, 08:23 AM

It's a beauty, too, Spexx.

ZenGum · 01-04-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

It's a beauty, too, Spexx.

Yeah, its great.

Radar · 01-04-2008, 09:54 AM

LOL!

TheMercenary · 01-04-2008, 10:40 AM

Birds migrate.

01-03-2008, 09:10 PM	#320
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	...not by choice anyway. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

01-03-2008, 11:51 PM	#322
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Owned animals don't migrate; free ones do. The tax applies to imports (slaves), not migrants. The paragraph bars Congress from interfering with imports AND migration, up to a certain date, but allows a tax or duty on imports only. No tax for migration. The Supreme Court, the US Government, and every single law school in America all say the Federal government can regulate immigration. I thought you didn't want to bring them into the argument. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-03-2008, 11:58 PM	#323
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Migration refers to movement, not merely natural migrations, but forced ones. The Duty and Tax refer to an imported good; specifically the slave. The importation (bringing property into America) and migration (moving the livestock...aka slaves into different states to be sold) of slaves can only apply to slaves, and not the immigration of free people. The Constitution says that the federal government may not have implied powers or the power to restrict or legislate immigration. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-04-2008, 07:26 AM	#324
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Radar, you keep telling us what this or that particular passage "refers to" ??? If it is so clear, then why do you have to keep explaining what it means, is applicable to, defining or relegating? I was thinking about what UT showed us a few days back - we are all wrong! Those guys were way ahead of us and foresaw these very same arguments that we are having today. Thats why some argue that passages or phrases in the constitution are intentionally vague. Perhaps they entrusted future leaders to do the right things and apply the "implied meaning" to the current world or situations. Certainly they didn't want us to stagnate in our thoughts and ideas or our direction for this most awesome country. I hope that we as a people have the ability and wisdom to, as a collective, choose those leaders. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 01-04-2008 at 07:38 AM. Reason: clarity

01-04-2008, 09:54 AM	#329
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	LOL! __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

01-04-2008, 07:40 AM	#325
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Coconuts migrate.

01-04-2008, 08:23 AM	#327
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	It's a beauty, too, Spexx.

01-04-2008, 10:40 AM	#330
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Birds migrate. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

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