There are no illegal immigrants in America

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Radar

It's not up for interpretation. It means we the people of the united states.

You keep highlighting the word "of" as though that means something special when it does not. The people who are governed by the United States are THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES. This is where the government drives its powers.

Radar, That is not even worthy of a response. You are trying to switch the argument to the derrivation of power and to governance.

I would love to debate that with you right after we finish up this one, if you please. One thing at a time.
Please agree that:
1) the writers meant exactly what they wrote
(you have already done this numerous times) and
2) "of" is not the same as "the"

[Radar]

Originally Posted by classicman

Radar, That is not even worthy of a response. You are trying to switch the argument to the derrivit4ion of power and to governance.

I would love to debate that with you rifght after we finish up this one.
Plese agree that:
1) the writers meant exactly what they wrote
(you have already done this numerous times) and
2) "of" is not the same as "the"

1. The writers mean exactly what they wrote, and it's not vague, ambiguous, or in need of "interpretation".

2. The people OF the United States refers to all of the people who are governed by the United States. All of them are OF the United States because the United States derives its powers from their consent.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Radar

1. The writers mean exactly what they wrote, and it's not vague, ambiguous, or in need of "interpretation".

2. The people OF the United States "refers" to all of the people who are governed by the United States.

refers is your OPINION, nothing more - You are interpreting it that way to suit you and your point. Thats fine, I choose, as does 99% of the rest of the world that: of means of and not "the".
derriving power has NOTHING to do with this radar - stop trying to confuse the issue - STAY ON TRACK A simple sentence ends this nonsense.

"of" means "of" and "of" does not mean "the".

[Radar]

Originally Posted by classicman

refers is your OPINION, nothing more - You are interpreting it that way to suit you and your point. Thats fine, I choose, as does 99% of the rest of the world that: of means of and not "the".
derriving power has NOTHING to do with this radar - stop trying to confuse the issue - STAY ON TRACK A simple sentence ends this nonsense.

"of" means "of" and "of" does not mean "the".

I am not "interpreting" anything. If a government derives its powers from the consent of those it governs, all of the people who are governed are OF that country because they have a vested interest in how they are governed. No amount of arguing over the word "of" will make you right. No matter how many attempts you make to try to make something clear into something that is "debatable", you will fail.

"We the people of the United States" refers to all OF the people governed by the United States because this is where the government derives its powers. All who are among the consenting people governed by the United States are OF the United States.