There are no illegal immigrants in America

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

An immigrant would surely be a "person of France living in the United States". An immigrant wouldn't describe themselves as a person of the United States. He's got you dead to rights, so to speak.

Immigrants are those who live here. If a French immigrant lives in America and he travels to Brazil and someone asks where he is here from, he will say he is in Brazil FROM the United States. He is Pierre OF Idaho. Nothing needs to be interpreted and nothing is vague no matter how much you try to make it so.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Radar

Immigrants are those who live here. If a French immigrant lives in America and he travels to Brazil and someone asks where he is here from, he will say he is in Brazil FROM the United States. He is Pierre OF Idaho. Nothing needs to be interpreted and nothing is vague no matter how much you try to make it so.

Depends on if he is a legal or illegal immigrant.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by classicman

Depends on if he is a legal or illegal immigrant.

There is no difference in America since the Federal government isn't granted any powers over immigration by the U.S. Constitution.

[Undertoad]

Originally Posted by Radar

Immigrants are those who live here. If a French immigrant lives in America and he travels to Brazil and someone asks where he is here from, he will say he is in Brazil FROM the United States. He is Pierre OF Idaho. Nothing needs to be interpreted and nothing is vague no matter how much you try to make it so.

What is this three-nation nonsense. A person is of the country of origin, they can't merely show up and say they represent the new country, unless they are naturalized.

My interpretation is more reasonable than yours. It clearly means what I think it means and not what you think it means.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

What is this three-nation nonsense. A person is of the country of origin, they can't merely show up and say they represent the new country, unless they are naturalized.

My interpretation is more reasonable than yours. It clearly means what I think it means and not what you think it means.

Those who are governed by a government are the ones the government derives it's powers from. All who are subject to the laws of a particular nation (including non-citizens) are OF that country.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Radar

All who are subject to the laws of a particular nation (including non-citizens) are OF that country.

no they are "in" that country - clearly a great distinction.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by Radar

Immigrants are those who live here. If a French immigrant lives in America and he travels to Brazil and someone asks where he is here from, he will say he is in Brazil FROM the United States. He is Pierre OF Idaho. Nothing needs to be interpreted and nothing is vague no matter how much you try to make it so.

Point of order, Radar. Pierre is in South Dakota, not Idaho.

Carry on.