There are no illegal immigrants in America

Radar · 01-02-2008, 10:46 PM

They did say that. We THE PEOPLE of the United States refers to the people in the United States. That's what it says.

Let me make it more clear for you. Before there was a United States, there were only people. They weren't citizens, they were just people living in America. In the Declaration of Independence, the founders said that "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed". Government gets its powers from the people who are governed. Government may not have any powers that individuals do not have without government.

Since all of the people living within the borders of the United States are subject to the Constitutionally valid laws of the United States, they are "governed" by the U.S. Government. Not some people....ALL people.

The U.S. Government derives its powers from THE PEOPLE who are governed by the U.S. Government, and yes this includes non-citizens and undocumented immigrants. They are also subject to all of the laws of the United States which do not contradict the Constitution (such as immigration laws). If they commit murder, they go to jail. If they steal, they go to jail, etc.

They are absolutely part of WE THE PEOPLE.

classicman · 01-02-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

They did say that. We THE PEOPLE of the United States refers to the people in the United States. That's what it says.

no it refers to the people OF the US not in. It is very clear. No playing with this one. If the meant "in" they would have said "in". The two words (in & of) have very different meanings. By your own admission they meant exactly what they wrote - "of "
At best, it is up for interpretation which is what we are doing now and you still lose because everything else is therefore up for interpretation as well.

You are too smart a guy to not see the reality right in front of you.

01-02-2008, 10:46 PM	#1
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	They did say that. We THE PEOPLE of the United States refers to the people in the United States. That's what it says. Let me make it more clear for you. Before there was a United States, there were only people. They weren't citizens, they were just people living in America. In the Declaration of Independence, the founders said that "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed". Government gets its powers from the people who are governed. Government may not have any powers that individuals do not have without government. Since all of the people living within the borders of the United States are subject to the Constitutionally valid laws of the United States, they are "governed" by the U.S. Government. Not some people....ALL people. The U.S. Government derives its powers from THE PEOPLE who are governed by the U.S. Government, and yes this includes non-citizens and undocumented immigrants. They are also subject to all of the laws of the United States which do not contradict the Constitution (such as immigration laws). If they commit murder, they go to jail. If they steal, they go to jail, etc. They are absolutely part of WE THE PEOPLE. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin Last edited by Radar; 01-02-2008 at 10:51 PM.

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