There are no illegal immigrants in America

[Clodfobble]

Originally Posted by Radar

Option 2 and 3 are the same to me.

Then why would you be fighting to switch from one to the other? Fight about the social programs first, if that's what you want, then immigration will magically take care of itself.

Originally Posted by Radar

And for the record, undocumented immigrants contribute more to the economy than they use in services, and not just more....BILLIONS more. They are a net gain to the economy and tax base and therefore don't cost American citizens a single penny.

Yes, we've had that discussion many times. It's one of the ones where I can provide lots of references, and you provide none. I'm not bothering again. Let's stick with the hypothetical/philosophical argument for once, shall we?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Then why would you be fighting to switch from one to the other? Fight about the social programs first, if that's what you want, then immigration will magically take care of itself.

I say the quickest way to get rid of the social programs is to make everyone scared the immigrants are out to get 'em. Open the floodgates, and if people start to feel the pinch, they'll end the programs.

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Yes, we've had that discussion many times. It's one of the ones where I can provide lots of references, and you provide none. I'm not bothering again. Let's stick with the hypothetical/philosophical argument for once, shall we?

I don't recall that you and I have had any conversations. I've presented proof many times over in threads.

Here's a link to one of the many articles I've linked to in the past...

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/200...contribute.php