There are no illegal immigrants in America

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

Radar, please rate the following situations in order of desirability:

1.) Unrestricted immigration, and no social services
2.) Unrestricted immigration, and expensive/universal social policies that only established citizens have to pay for
3.) Restricted immigration, and expensive/universal social policies that only established citizens have to pay for

Obviously you would strongly prefer option 1. But can you admit that option 3 is still better than option 2?

Option 2 and 3 are the same to me. I don't support social programs for citizens anymore than I support them for non-citizens. And for the record, undocumented immigrants contribute more to the economy than they use in services, and not just more....BILLIONS more. They are a net gain to the economy and tax base and therefore don't cost American citizens a single penny.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Radar

Option 2 and 3 are the same to me. I don't support social programs for citizens anymore than I support them for non-citizens. And for the record, undocumented immigrants contribute more to the economy than they use in services, and not just more....BILLIONS more. They are a net gain to the economy and tax base and therefore don't cost American citizens a single penny.

Arent you the one that halfway proved that the 'undocumented immigrants' dont pay taxes, because you dont pay taxes (or at least know how to very easily dodge them) cause you dont believe that taxes are legal?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Ibram

Arent you the one that halfway proved that the 'undocumented immigrants' dont pay taxes, because you dont pay taxes (or at least know how to very easily dodge them) cause you dont believe that taxes are legal?

No, I'm the one who showed that undocumented immigrants pay plenty of taxes even if they don't pay income taxes. Though the ones who borrow a social security number get regular jobs and income taxes are taken out of that paycheck including social security which they NEVER collect from.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

No, I'm the one who showed that undocumented immigrants pay plenty of taxes even if they don't pay income taxes. Though the ones who borrow a social security number get regular jobs and income taxes are taken out of that paycheck including social security which they NEVER collect from.

Most do not "borrow a social security number". Most work under the table for cash.

If the estimated net fiscal drain of $2,736 a year that each illegal household imposes on the federal treasury is multiplied by the nearly three million illegal households, the total cost comes to $10.4 billion a year. Whether one considers this to be a large sum or not is, of course, a matter of perspective. But, this figure is unambiguously negative and certainly not trivial. It is also worth remembering that these figures are only for the federal government and do not include any costs at the state or local level, where the impact is likely to be significant.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalfindings.html

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Radar

And for the record, undocumented immigrants contribute more to the economy than they use in services, and not just more....BILLIONS more. They are a net gain to the economy and tax base and therefore don't cost American citizens a single penny.

Prove it with objective facts.