Is being gay morally wrong?

[Ibby]

It wasn't okay for Pol Pot to kill all the rich people, but what else can you do?

Obviously there was enough support for killing rich people then, but lucky for them that thirty years later its okay to be rich again, so it isnt permanent. I strongly believe that rich people deserve to live too, but the opposition back then was too strong to do anything about it then.

It wasn't okay for america to take away all the black folks' rights and put up 'separate but equal' laws, but what else can you do?

From votes back then there just wasnt enough support for black people to have rights, but at least 20-30 years later they had rights so it wasnt permanent. I strongly believe in racial equality but the opposition was too strong to do anything about it then.

Do you really want your argument to sound like that, pierce?
Your argument is just 'wait it out'.
Justice, freedom, equality, civil rights... these things do not happen from just 'waiting it out'. Every person who fails to campaign for gay rights or any other kind of civil right is complicit in the deprivation of that right. If you actually strongly believed that gay marriage should be legal, you would go out and tell the homophobic bigots that they are wrong, and why. You would fight for equality and civil rights. You would do the right thing.

Right now, your strategy is doing nothing, and doing nothing is no better than doing the right thing.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Ibram

Right now, your strategy is doing nothing, and doing nothing is no better than doing the right thing.

Hmm...I worded the last part badly.

I did not intend to be taken as "do nothing until public support switches sides" but "don't expect anything big to happen for 20-30 years when public support does switch".

The frustrating part about gay rights is that there is a large voting population that will vote against gay rights no matter how good of an argument or how deserving these rights are. I will always continue to support gay rights but I will not expect change to happen quickly and neither should you. You should obviously continue to fight for the rights you deserve but do not expect change overnight or, even worse, become completely cynical with this issue.

Change can and will happen, it will just take longer than it should. I'm sorry if this posts gets you angry, and it should, but I am merely pointing out what I see through historical trends with respect to these types of issues. Civil Rights should have happened a long time before the 60s but it would never have had the support to pass before then. Gay rights should have happened a long time ago as well but right now it doesn't have the support to pass. Both those are true sentences but also idealistic. I do not want to have to wait it out either but sometimes there is no other option.

If anything, I think that the world is becoming more nationalist, more conservative, if you take a look at recent elections around the world the right is winning more than the left.

It depends on what aspect you are talking about. I am fairly certain that the recent push towards the right on a whole is just a trend but it seems to me, I might also be wrong, that civil rights have been slowly moving left for a while now.