Will the Second Amendment survive?

[Radar]

I disagree. You can't ignore rights. You can violate them, but not ignore them. As a person with rights, you can choose not to exercise them, but they still exist.

This isn't a semantics argument, it's a HUGE point.

The fact that you can kill someone doesn't mean they didn't have a right to life. The fact that you can steal their property does not mean they don't have a right to that property. The fact that you can use a rocket to escape the gravity of the earth does not mean the earth has no gravity.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Radar

I disagree. You can't ignore rights. You can violate them, but not ignore them.

Why not? What happens if you do?

The fact that you can kill someone doesn't mean they didn't have a right to life.

Or that they do.

The fact that you can steal their property does not mean they don't have a right to that property.

Or that they do.

The fact that you can use a rocket to escape the gravity of the earth does not mean the earth has no gravity.

But the fact that you have to use a rocket to escape Earth's gravity does mean that the Earth has gravity.

The first two are unfounded assertions. The third has been supported by evidence.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

The first two are unfounded assertions. The third has been supported by evidence.

False. All of them are supported by evidence and all are equally factual. You yourself say we have a right to life and so does Pierce. Ask every human being on earth if they have a right to live and they will say yes (assuming they can talk or communicate).

It is unanimous. It is factual. It is right. It is axiomatic. It is undeniable. And nothing you say or do will change it.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Radar

False. All of them are supported by evidence and all are equally factual. You yourself say we have a right to life and so does Pierce. Ask every human being on earth if they have a right to live and they will say yes (assuming they can talk or communicate).

It is unanimous. It is factual. It is right. It is axiomatic. It is undeniable. And nothing you say or do will change it.

Once apon a time, everyone believed the world was flat, but then along came someone that proved it wasn't.

So was it a fact that it was flat before it magically become not a fact anymore?

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Once apon a time, everyone believed the world was flat, but then along came someone that proved it wasn't.

So was it a fact that it was flat before it magically become not a fact anymore?

It was never a fact that the world was flat. The world was always spherical despite the beliefs of those who thought otherwise. The truth is the truth regardless of the ability of anyone's ability to recognize it. The truth is that we have human rights. They come from nature and are real and tangible and they can't be bought, sold, taken, given, or voted away. This fact will not change regardless of how many claim the world to be flat (or claim our rights are a social construct) regardless of how sure they are.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Radar

It was never a fact that the world was flat. The world was always spherical despite the beliefs of those who thought otherwise. The truth is the truth regardless of the ability of anyone's ability to recognize it. The truth is that we have human rights. They come from nature and are real and tangible and they can't be bought, sold, taken, given, or voted away. This fact will not change regardless of how many claim the world to be flat (or claim our rights are a social construct) regardless of how sure they are.

Gee...I guess it was axiomatic at the time then.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Gee...I guess it was axiomatic at the time then.

No. Axiomatic = True and widely known.

It IS axiomatic that we have undeniable, irrevocable, immutable, and unalienable rights.