Will the Second Amendment survive?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Radar

You think he's presenting his argument well?

Well, at least he's presenting an argument.

Your argument has been:
1) Because of gravity.
2) I've proven it in several unspecified locations.
3) I can shoot you.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Well, at least he's presenting an argument.

Your argument has been:
1) Because of gravity.
2) I've proven it in several unspecified locations.
3) I can shoot you.

Amen.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Well, at least he's presenting an argument.

Your argument has been:
1) Because of gravity.
2) I've proven it in several unspecified locations.
3) I can shoot you.

I've cited dozens of books and pamphlets he can read. I've explained it so simply a child can understand it. So you are either more dense than a child or just too stubborn to read.

I'll break it down once more.

Natural rights come from nature. We are born with our rights. They don't come from "society".

We are born with the RIGHT to life that even pierce doesn't dispute. Because we are born with the right to life, we are also born with the right to defend that life by any means necessary. Because we own our life, we own our body. Because we own our mind we have the right to think freely. Because we own our voice we have the right to speak freely. Because we own our labor, nobody else is entitled to it or to the fruits of it.

A right is the exact opposite of a privilege.

Michael Badnarik does a great job of explaining the difference between rights and privileges here....

http://www.constitutionpreservation....s/chapter2.pdf

Here are some links to pamphlets that explain natural rights and natural law...

http://www.constitution.org/law/bastiat.htm

http://jim.com/spooner.htm

Here is the Declaration of Independence

http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/declaration.html

Here is the Magna Carta

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/magnacarta.html

Here is the U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights

http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

Here is Peter McWilliam's Book, "Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do"

http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint


Take your fucking pick and actually read instead of lying by claiming that I haven't proved each and every word I've said, or that I haven't cited credible and reliable sources to verify what I'm saying

If you disagree with any part of anything I've said, you are a fucking blithering idiot.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by Radar

A right is the exact opposite of a privilege. ~snip~ If you disagree with any part of anything I've said, you are a fucking blithering idiot.

I think this was from WIKI - I was doing investigating and forgot - sorry.

A privilege—etymologically "private law" or law relating to a specific individual—is a special entitlement or immunity granted by a government or other authority to a restricted group, either by birth or on a conditional basis. A privilege can be revoked in some cases. In modern democracies, a privilege is conditional and granted only after birth. By contrast, a right is an inherent, irrevocable entitlement held by all citizens or all human beings from birth.

Juat a little fuel for the fire. I am torn by this whole discussion - I was sure and now I'm vascillating on a workable definition.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You just gave a very good one.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by Radar

Take your fucking pick and actually read instead of lying by claiming that I haven't proved each and every word I've said, or that I haven't cited credible and reliable sources to verify what I'm saying

You haven't proven anything, just restated your assumptions. I don't necessarily disagree that they are good assumptions, or that they are a good basis for government, but they are nothing more than assumptions. There is no proof there.

And for good reason. Rights are ideals. They are not subject to proof.