Conundrum - Page 3

ZenGum · 11-24-2007, 05:52 AM

Ah-hah! Loophole!

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the university believes it is morally wrong to kill the animals simply because the experiment is over and you have no further use for the animal.

The reason for killing the carp is NOT "simply because the experiment is over and you have no further use for the animal".
It's because they are noxious pests.
Argue that to the ethics committee.

Aliantha · 11-24-2007, 05:55 AM

Her research involves having native fish such as golden pearch eat the carp fingerlings. If the theory works out in practice, this would obviously be a great argument for restocking creeks and rivers with native fish which would have more than one benefit. Obviously the main one being killing off the carp, but the secondary benefit of there being more sport for amature anglers etc.

Aliantha · 11-24-2007, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ZenGum

Ah-hah! Loophole!

The reason for killing the carp is NOT "simply because the experiment is over and you have no further use for the animal".
It's because they are noxious pests.
Argue that to the ethics committee.

Dazza says that while the option is definitely logical and would be put before the committee, it's unlikely to to work because the bottom line is the fact that the experiment has brought about the death of the animal.

ZenGum · 11-24-2007, 06:03 AM

Silly me, trying to use logic to deal with a bureaucracy.

Aliantha · 11-24-2007, 06:09 AM

I know. I have to tell myself the same thing when D brings home these problems for me to think about.

regular.joe · 11-25-2007, 05:08 PM

Killing the carp is not part of the experiment, right? What's the problem?

Aliantha · 11-25-2007, 05:18 PM

The problem is, you can't put them back in the river because they're a noxious pest.

richlevy · 11-25-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

It still counts as death. Carp taste like crap in general too, although some people seem to think they can make them taste good. My opinion is that making them taste good generally means you totally hide the flavour of the fish with other strong flavours.

Carp is a main ingredient in Eastern European Jewish cooking. Most gefilte fish, is made from carp (other freshwater fishes have been used).

She should check with a food bank. As long as they were alive when handed off there shouldn't be an issue. Is she sure that the 'alive' rule applies to 'pests'? If she were studying tapeworms, would she have to find new hosts for them?

Besides, almost any fish tastes good battered and fried. Fish and chips, anyone?

Seriously, one way of managing a 'pest' is to find an economical way to exploit it. Finding ways to make carp an attractive food source might allow the public to solve the problem. An eatable fish with no fishing limits? Mankind has a tendency to overfish fish that are edible.

Aliantha · 11-25-2007, 07:38 PM

Yep, it applies even to pests apparently. Hence the need to think of ways around the rule. I suppose the answer to the tapeworm question would have to be yes.

There's a restaraunt in SA that 'specializes' in making carp taste good. It's not high on my list of places to eat. Aside from the taste being in my mind very unpleasant, the texture is also pretty yuck.

I had look at that link too. It hasn't improved my desire to eat carp.

ZenGum · 11-25-2007, 10:19 PM

I've got it!
Build a giant wooden ship with about five decks. Fill each deck with nice fish tanks, put the carp in, and set it adrift out at sea.
I'm sure uni admin would approve of a multi-story carp ark ....

Clodfobble · 11-26-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

There's a restaraunt in SA that 'specializes' in making carp taste good.

Why not call them?

Aliantha · 11-26-2007, 01:22 AM

I'm not sure that it'd be ok to give the fish to a restaraunt. It'd be pretty hard to argue that you didn't think they'd kill them. lol

classicman · 11-26-2007, 06:59 PM

Sell them on e-bay

Aliantha · 11-26-2007, 07:01 PM

Mmmmmm...stinky fish...Mmmmmm...

zippyt · 11-26-2007, 07:03 PM

Adopt -a-Carp !!!!

11-24-2007, 05:55 AM	#32
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Her research involves having native fish such as golden pearch eat the carp fingerlings. If the theory works out in practice, this would obviously be a great argument for restocking creeks and rivers with native fish which would have more than one benefit. Obviously the main one being killing off the carp, but the secondary benefit of there being more sport for amature anglers etc. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-24-2007, 06:03 AM	#34
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	Silly me, trying to use logic to deal with a bureaucracy. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

11-24-2007, 06:09 AM	#35
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I know. I have to tell myself the same thing when D brings home these problems for me to think about. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-25-2007, 05:18 PM	#37
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	The problem is, you can't put them back in the river because they're a noxious pest. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-25-2007, 07:38 PM	#39
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Yep, it applies even to pests apparently. Hence the need to think of ways around the rule. I suppose the answer to the tapeworm question would have to be yes. There's a restaraunt in SA that 'specializes' in making carp taste good. It's not high on my list of places to eat. Aside from the taste being in my mind very unpleasant, the texture is also pretty yuck. I had look at that link too. It hasn't improved my desire to eat carp. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-25-2007, 05:08 PM	#36
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	Killing the carp is not part of the experiment, right? What's the problem?

11-25-2007, 10:19 PM	#40
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	I've got it! Build a giant wooden ship with about five decks. Fill each deck with nice fish tanks, put the carp in, and set it adrift out at sea. I'm sure uni admin would approve of a multi-story carp ark .... __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

11-26-2007, 01:22 AM	#42
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	I'm not sure that it'd be ok to give the fish to a restaraunt. It'd be pretty hard to argue that you didn't think they'd kill them. lol __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-26-2007, 06:59 PM	#43
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	Sell them on e-bay

11-26-2007, 07:01 PM	#44
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Mmmmmm...stinky fish...Mmmmmm... __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-26-2007, 07:03 PM	#45
zippyt LONG LIVE KING ZIPPY! per Feetz Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arkansas Posts: 7,661	Adopt -a-Carp !!!! __________________ "Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get. " Brother Dave Gardner

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