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According to them they're not, you are in violation of the 16th amendment since you say you don't pay your income tax. They are acting in good faith, with the 16th embedment being in effect in mind.

According to Hitler, the Jews needed to be killed. But they were both wrong.

How many people have spoken out on this thread that say they don't like income taxes, but prefer paying them to losing all the services they fund?

Almost all Americans would give up all unconstitutional services to never have to pay income taxes again. More than 70 million Americans don't file income tax returns and if it weren't for the fear of government attack it would be nearly all Americans.

It's not the will of the majority that is being ignored here, and the government serves that will. So, the government is not ignoring the will of the people.

Yes, the government is ignoring the will of the majority. The majority of Americans don't think the government is entitled to enslave them 4 months a year and to take what they have earned.

So, I take it you've been shot? Since you directly link the IRS with a gun to a slaver with a whip and you don't do income tax then they must have shot you by now. Oh wait, in reality the situation isn't anything close to as harsh as slavery. You're just linking to a greater evil.

Not me, but many have been shot by the IRS. And they don't have to shoot. They can merely threaten or point a gun at you. This situation is EXACTLY the same as Slavery. In fact it IS slavery.

Working without compensation under duress or threat of violance is slavery and theft.

If a man points a gun at you and takes your money, it's robbery. What if the robber says he's going to use the money he steals from you to help out the needy? Is it still robbery? Of course it is. What if instead of one man, it's a gang of 10 men. Is it still robbery? Yes it is. What if it's a thousand, or ten thousand, or a million people? It's still robbery. What if it's 350 million people and they label themselves government? You got it. It's still robbery. Nobody's need entitles them to steal from me and the government isn't entitled to a single penny of what I earn.

eah, but you have good intentions too right? ... Why is it that only the other guy that'll go to hell? Oh right, you've got purity, light and kittens on your side, so your intentions are beyond question.

The difference is they're fighting to control our lives and enslave us, and I'm fighting to free us from their control and allow us to control our own lives.

So how are you robbed or enslaved? Hmm, I've addressed the fact that by your own logic you still have an avenue open, just find a brave and honest judge.

I am free but millions of my other countrymen are being enslaved, defrauded, and attacked. Are you saying if someone were attacking everyone in your neighborhood but hadn't attacked you yet, you wouldn't stand up to defend them? I'm just not that selfish. Also I won't stand by and watch my country be fucked up by criminals like the politicians and judges in power at the moment. And there are no brave and honest judges who will stand up against the income taxes. The government has judges on a short leash; their paychecks. The judges know if they go against the government they won't be working very long or worse. The government isn't above killing American citizens who are a fly in the ointment.

Again, if there are good people in the gov then it's not wholly corrupt. Talking about war before exhausting all other possibilities is nutty. Remember, you are saying that you'd expect to kill the people you plan to free. Does this mindset remind any one of anything?

There are no good people in the government, but even if there were, they wouldn't oppose us when we took over. If they oppose us, they're not good people. And all peaceful possibilities of working within the system have been exhausted. It's impossible to win a game when your opponent won't stick to the rules or worse yet, makes the rules up as he goes along. And I wouldn't expect to kill the people I plan to free, only those who would oppose me in doing it. And if you want a mindset that says you want to kill the people you plan to free, look no further than the murdering scumbag George W. Bush.

Heh, so we idiots should be only to happy to have you there to make our decisions so we don't strain our weak minds? I guess we're lucky to have someone a little more "equal" than us.

I don't plan on making your decisions for you. I plan on making you free to make your own decisions rather than having George Bush, Bill Clinton, or others usurp your power to do it.

First of all, President Bush IS a good man. He's a Christian, and he's trying to defend our nation from terrorists (despite the best efforts of others, who would see this nation invaded by arab extremists).

President Bush is a murdering imperialistic terrorist and being a Christian doesn't make you a good person. And America is in far more danger from Christian fundamentalists than it will ever be from Arab Extremists. George W. Bush is the most dangerous man to America. He's more dangerous than Bin Laden, Hussein, and all middle-eastern nations combined. He's the biggest threat to world peace on earth.

He's protecting you, and he needs our money to do it. I'd think you'd be at least a little bit grateful.

He isn't "protecting" shit. He is starting unprovoked, unconstitutional, unwarranted, imperialistic, wars of terrorist aggression against countries that don't pose a threat and never have. Iraq never attacked America, never planned to attack America, never helped anyone else attack America, never funded, harbored, or trained anyone who has attacked America, and has no ties with any groups who have. Yet America launched not one but two unconstitutional attacks against Iraq, and subsequently starved 200,000 of their people to death and kept them from life saving medicines. George W. Bush is endangering America because he's inspiring hundreds of thousands of people to avenge those who America unjustly murdered in Iraq. And I'm not grateful for that disgrace to America who attacks others and then attacks the civil rights of Americans.

Without income taxes, the military wouldn't be able to afford bombs and equipment, and wouldn't be able to take out wackos like Saddam Hussein. You should thank him for saving your life, not try to kill him.

Without income taxes the military would be able to afford all of the bombs and equipment they need to DEFEND America and we'd still be able to do all of the Constitutional parts of government. In fact if income taxes ended entirely today, the military would be fine and so would the government because all of those things can be funded entirely with just the tariffs and excise taxes we already collect. They'd just have to give up all the unconstitutional stuff.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, because I think he's pretty well-protected. How exactly do you plan on getting past the Secret Service, hmm?

How did Hinkley, or Booth, or the others get past them?

For the Chinese, Mexicans, Indonesians, Vietnamise, etc, etc, etc.

And the Americans. Although most of the people you mentioned are Americans. In fact someone born in China who comes to America and becomes a citizen is probably more American than a white guy born in America because they valued this country enough to choose to become a citizen instead of being a racist idiot born here who thinks he has more right to be an American than someone from another country.

Wolf: By your definitions George W. Bush is guilty of treason. He aided the Taliban before our war against them. He gave them 40 million dollars 3 months before the September 11th attacks. You can rest assured it was used against us. George W. Bush goes against every single thing this country stands for. America was created to escape from imperialistic tyrrany and thanks to Bush we're now practicing it. He violates every one of our civil rights in the name of "security".

George W. Bush wants to promote peace by starting wars. He wants to balance the budget with deficit spending. He wants to free the people of Iraq by blowing them up and controlling them in a police state. He wants to protect the environment by suggesting we use more coal, nuclear, and oil energy sources. He wants to improve our foreign policy by pissing off every country in the U.N. and raising tariffs. He wants to stimulate the economy by bringing us into a recession. He wants to defend our freedom by attacking our civil rights. He wants to uphold and defend the Constitution by championing and passing the most unconstitutional piece of legislation in American history. He wants to lower drug use by keeping black markets strong and drug dealers rich. He wants to fight terrorists by giving them millions of dollars and ensuring they'll have tons of profits by selling drugs on the black markets. And Bush wants to make government smaller by adding new departments and extra funding for unconstitutional social programs.

Social welfare programs under George W. Bush have grown by $96 billion in just two years, versus $51 billion under six years of Clinton

Sedition against tyrranical oppressors who claim to have unlimited power and wreck your government is not sedition at all; it's patriotism.

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-- Thomas Jefferson

A little rebellion now and then...is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government.
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Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
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The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
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Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...
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A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.
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