Happy Tax Day!

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What do you do about disadvantaged people whose mothers did not give them as many rights as most mothers give their children? Should society give them these rights to balance it out, or should they be limited in their rights for the rest of their lives?

Disadvantaged people don't have less rights than wealthy people. And nobody is owed anything simply based on their need.

If this is true then you can name the supreme court cases. If it's not a tax case then you've deliberately misleading this forum. If you can't name the case then you've lied outright. Case please?

I haven't lied. I said we would represents people all the way to the supreme court and we will. I can name hundreds of cases we've done but as I've said the supreme court won't hear challenges to the 16th amendment. But we have a legal defense fund and lawyers waiting for the opportunity. Should I tell you about a case we won against the California Franchise Tax board (far more aggressive than the IRS) for over a quarter million dollars? Not that it would matter to you.

So was the issue "taxes" or "Taxation without representation?" Oh wait you already said taxation.

No, I said INCOME taxation.

You sought to use the founding fathers to your advatage by lieing about the reason for the Boston Tea party, when asked for clarification you say they don't represent you. WTF? Then why did you bring them up then? And lie?

No I didn't. Again I have never lied in here and have no reason to. I said this nation was built by tax protestors and that is the truth. The members of the Boston tea party were tax protestors. The fact that they were protesting taxation without proper representation doesn't change the fact that they were protesting a tax. Don't try to twist things around, you're not bright enough to slip anything past me. And for the record the American people don't have adequate representation.

Um, with your vast knowledge could you address that you say the first time it's in court the court referenced a previous case?

You said that about the first time in court, not me. Don't try to setup straw men and then knock them down because that doesn't fly here. There have always been corrupt judges and officials especially with regard to taxation. And there have always been sleazy little people who will look for loopholes or ways around the constitution. All they need is one corrupt judge's ruling to make a precedent for another. But in the end case law is irrelevant. It all comes down to the constitution.

This was supposed to be longer, but a chic-friend of mine needs someone to light her hot water heater.

You're a liar. You have no friends.

Please prove this statement, or I won't believe you. This is what I mean when I say that you don't ask yourself if you could be wrong.

First answer this question if you believe people get their rights from government. What rights would a person on a desert island have if there were no government to bestow those rights on them?

After you're done figuring out that natural rights are self evident you can read the following:

The Law - By Frederic Bastiat

The Law by Lysander Spooner

The Declaration of Independence

Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do - By Peter McWilliams

The works of John Locke

Or you can read any number of other books on the subject.

Please prove these statements. I respect your opinion, but you're passing this off as fact. And since I have high standards of proof, I must ask you for proof.

See above for proof. Either that or look at the world around you. Natural rights are self-evident.

Obviously, the government does do these things (I hope we can agree on that).

We do agree on that.

I think what you mean is that they're not ethically allowed to, because you feel that they're stealing from you.

No, that's not what I mean. The government is not only prevented ethically, but legally. They may not legally do anything that isn't specifically listed in the constitution. Morality and ethics aren't the issue.

No, the government can do whatever it can get away with. It's power is not limited by your imaginary 'rights'.

That's 100% false. The government can only do those things specifically listed in the constitution. The constitution defines and limits the powers of government and is prevented from attacking our civil rights. Your imaginary all powerful government doesn't exist and as long as people are alive it never will.

In reality, they DO have the power to tax people; the fact that they actually do is proof of this. Read the dictionary. It says if someone can force you to do something, then they have authority over you.

No, you read the dictionary and not just the parts you like. Read the part that says "One that is invested with this power, especially a government or body of government officials: land titles issued by the civil authority" or the part that says, "Power assigned to another; authorization: Deputies were given authority to make arrests.". The government only has those powers given to it by the constitution and NOTHING MORE period.

But if, as I'm assuming your saying, there really is NO government where the hell do our rules/laws come from.

Government is an idea. It's not a physical tangible thing. You can't touch government. You can't see "government". You can see and touch the guns and soldiers working for the "government" and even sit in a government owned library, but government itself can't be seen, touched, smelled, touched, or tasted because it's an intangible.

It's funny how a "brainless" guy like me knows these old lines. I've been hearing them for a long time.

And yet they haven't sunk in to your thick skull.