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Old 04-21-2003, 09:58 PM   #11
juju
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Originally posted by Radar
What does a corporation look like? It's nothing more than a logical organization of businesses and assets so you can't see it.

Can you touch a corporation?

You can't touch an idea. It's not tangible. You may be able to touch a building that a corporation owns, but you can't touch the corporation.
According to the dictionary, a government or corporation qualifies as an "entity". Therefore, according to the dictionary, your statement that "There is no such entity as 'government'" is false.


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Absolutely false. All humans are born with rights.
Please prove this statement, or I won't believe you. This is what I mean when I say that you don't ask yourself if you could be wrong.


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There's no "collective". Government has no rights and "society" has no rights. Only individuals do. People didn't invent rights, people are born with the rights their respective creators gave them. People don't decide the definition or assignment of rights, nor does government.
Please prove these statements. I respect your opinion, but you're passing this off as fact. And since I have high standards of proof, I must ask you for proof.


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The U.S. Government may only do those limited things that are listed in the constitution and nothing else because only those powers have been granted to government. And there are certain things that government may never do because government may only have the powers that individuals hold and have granted to it.
Obviously, the government <i>does</i> do these things (I hope we can agree on that). I think what you mean is that they're not ethically allowed to, because you feel that they're stealing from you. What I'd like you to understand is that morality and rights are a matter of opinion (not fact).



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<b>If the government can force people to do something, then they have the authority to do so.</b>
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Originally posted by Radar
That's completely false. The powers of our government are limited to what is specifically listed in the constitution. And no matter how many guns or nukes or anything else the government has, they don't have any more authority than that. If they exceed their authority they have violated the law and will answer to the people.
No, the government can do whatever it can get away with. It's power is not limited by your imaginary 'rights'. In reality, they DO have the power to tax people; the fact that they actually do is proof of this. Read the dictionary. It says if someone can force you to do something, then they have authority over you.
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