Iraqi violence down

[queequeger]

...right because the populace was promised a breeze of a war, contrary to all intelligent estimates. We could actually sustain it (or the much larger numbers to do this cross-country + borders) if we stopped fuggin around and started using our forces without trying to make it look like a not-war. It would surely mean longer deployments, but hey we knew this was probably going to happen when we enlisted, right?

[ZenGum]

I have been unable to find the original story, but I recall that about 2 or 3 months ago there was a slight change in the collection of death statistics in Iraq. The change was that for bodies found dumped, if they had been shot from behind (i.e. back of the head, execution style) it was still logged as insurgency related, but if they had been shot from in front it was recorded as crime.
I wonder how much of the drop in statistics is due to this simple change. Some, perhaps, but I guess not much; this wouldn't affect the stats for mortar and rocket attacks, for example.
I believe that violence has actually decreased. I guess this is partly because of the surge, partly because of Iraqis confronting and defeating some hostile groups, but also very largely because a considerable amount of population shifting has taken place. There are millions displaced both internally and externally. The rival groups have been segregated, so there is less fighting.
I do believe that the surge has squeezed the lid back onto the violence for a while. But I don't believe that the insurgents/civil war forces have been defeated or pacified. Just driven into hiding, waiting for the draw-down.
Yeah, Vietnam, escalation, Tet, guerrilla tactics/strategies, public support and the lack thereof .... its all been said.

[ZenGum]

I just found a very interesting article analyzing the causes of the decrease in violence.
It has plenty of links including an interactive map by the New York Times of Bagdad neighborhoods analyzed individually.

The article is a better researched expression of what I posted above. Here are a few teasers:

Clearly, U.S. security operations are having an effect in Baghdad and beyond.... [but a]s a general rule, where Sunnis, Shiites, or Kurds live in close proximity and we have too few American troops on the ground, violence persists....

Political reconciliation efforts have produced qualified successes in Anbar, Baghdad, and Diyala... ... but we should be careful about claiming credit, and we should not consider these arrangements to be permanent.

However, the most persuasive explanation for the good news is that the Shiites have won the battle for Baghdad. Shiite militias and partisans have killed or expelled tens of thousands of Sunnis, changing the ethnographic map of the ancient city.

[tw]

The Wall Street Journal article published 31 Oct 2007 entitled "In Baghdad Neighborhood, A Tale of Shifting Fortunes" provides a rather upbeat viewpoint for Sayidia. Article was quoted in Senators Clash With Nominee About Torture. However the NY Times map for that same neighborhood says things are worse than bad.

Now, by general consent, Saydia (or Sayidia) is one of the worst neighborhoods since ethnic cleansing is ongoing - surge or no surge. Residents say it remained peaceful and tolerant until January or February when crackdowns in Sunni areas to the east and west led to an influx of hard-line Sunni insurgents. As they began killing local Shiites, Shiites turned to their own militias, principally the Mahdi Army, for help. For months, death squads from both sides have roamed the nearly deserted streets.

Bottom line remains. George Jr says "Mission Accomplished" is a war on Al Qaeda. "If we don't stop them there, then we must stop them here." So when do we go after bin Laden? George Jr was lying and is lying.

Who are the few who still deny "Mission Accomplished"? It is a 'Civil War'. But that would contradict George Jr's propaganda. So George Jr denies what only the fully misinformed would deny one year ago. Wars cannot be won when the leader will neither admit what kind of war exists nor admit who the enemy is. Deja vue Nam.

What the Wall Street Journal, Slate Magazine, and an interactive Map from the NY Times all demonstrate - ethnic cleansing is ongoing and succeeding. "Mission Accomplished" has long been a Civil War created by Americans. Created when some idiot said, "Americans don't do nation building". No phase four planning is an absolute violation of the most basic principles in military science. Who said that lie? What kind of war did that liar create?

Notice how Americans who created 4 million Iraqi refugees will not take in those displaced people. Clearly it is their own fault for being Iraqis. That too is George Jr's attitude.

Words that George Jr will not admit to are 'lies', 'civil war', 'torture', 'extraordinary rendition', 'ethnic cleansing', 'puppet government', and 4 million Iraqi refugees created by George Jr only because god (or Cheney) told him what to do.

[ZenGum]

I hate the phrase "ethnic cleansing". Very strongly. Using it plays down the fact that you are talking about mass killing and displacement of population along racial or ethnic lines.
There is nothing "clean" about it, and there is nothing "dirty" about living in an ethnic mix. You cannot clean with blood.
Call a spade a spade, and a genocide a genocide.

[tw]

Originally Posted by ZenGum

I hate the phrase "ethnic cleansing". ... Using it plays down the fact that you are talking about mass killing and displacement of population along racial or ethnic lines.

The phrase 'ethnic cleansing' mirrors the liar and his party extremists who created all this. No sane person can deny that reality. "Mission Accomplished" is the political agenda promoted by liars.

George Jr was accurately identified long ago. Within his first three months, the Norwegian foreign minister said George Jr would destroy the Oslo Accords. The prediction was accurate and was posted here. His lying has been that routine. "Cleansing" only reflects the integrity of that man. How many suspected what this man represents in 2001?

'Ethnic cleansing' is a George Jr accomplishment. It identifies (mocks) one in three Americans - so anti-American as to support the fool.

Same people also believe we must 'Pearl Harbor' Iran. What kind of 'cleansing' will it be when that new, nuclear, bunker busting bomb is used? Since the radiation will make Muslim beards fall out, then we will proclaim 'God is Great'? Oh. Did we forget four years ago that George Jr wanted that weapon?

Complex 2030 is the new secret facility quietly promoted by our extremists to completely rebuild our nuclear arsenal. What kind of 'cleansing' will that be? Budget cleansing? Coherence cleansing? Screw it. Let's not forget the first paragraph from that Wolfovich paper. America's purpose is to remain number one at all costs. Therefore we must be prepared to attack India, Germany, or Russia. More world 'cleansing'? Review posts from Urban Guerrilla these past weeks. That too sound like cleansing - without using a more accurate word: 'holocaust'.

The unfortunate part is the tone of my posts. Unfortunately, people are too slowly realizing that Urban Guerrilla's posts also reflect a routine Bush/Cheney attitude. What are they 'cleansing'? World wide respect for American principles. 'Ethnic cleansing' is another 'victory' for George Jr.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by tw

'Ethnic cleansing' is a George Jr accomplishment. It identifies (mocks) one in three Americans - so anti-American as to support the fool.

I first heard the phrase "ethnic cleansing" to describe the shit going on in former Yugoslavia during Clinton's time. There was discussion then that it was being used because to use "genocide" meant that the UN was obligated under its charter to step in and stop it. Nobody wanted an all out war in Yugoslavia, so they used the "ethnic cleansing" phrase to talk about genocide in code.

Are you trying to say Bush invented the phrase/idea of ethnic cleansing?