Carter: America tortures

[DanaC]

Whatever you do, do not lie to me about what I say unless you particularly want me to skin you alive and sew your hide back on backwards with red baseball thread. Lying to me about what I said all because you have a foundationless opinion makes me very angry.

What a sweetie. UG, Dar didn't lie, he reinterpreted your words and posited a potential and, in the view of many, better and more apposite term for what you were describing. That isn't lying, it's engaging in debate.

The point is not to win. The point is to appreciate another perspective and the reasoning that justifies that opinion. UG is not the exception in America.

tw, please, I read the cellar before bed, are you trying to give me night terrors? :P

Ahem, haven't you recall that I favored getting Saddam out?

I'm guessing not. Oh I hate that argument, it's logic is so twisted it makes a helter skelter look straight forward. We get that here too, amongst some of the right wingers (even the right wingers who've hijacked the left wing parties :P). A friend of mine (an ex MP) has spent her entire life campaigning for human rights; supported the dissident Iraqi trade unionists who sought asylum in my country; lobbied for greater support of those trade unionists and political radicals who were persecuted by Saddam; visited Halabja in support of the Kurds.

She was vehemently opposed to the war. Still, even now, with all that's happened and all the death and destruction which has rained down on that country, the right will accuse her of supporting Saddam. Usually it's a sideways swipe: "Not all of us were against the war ****, some of us are happy Saddam's gone". The two are not mutually exclusive no matter how much someone may try to argue that they are. One could be entirely against the war without being a supporter of Saddam. One could be wholly against Saddam and be active in the struggle, without being in favour of the invasion.

There's a word for that kind of logic...my mind's gone blank though and I can't think of it (tired, tough meeting tonight :P). I'd be very grateful if one of you excellent and eloquent debate hounds could tell me what word I'm looking for :P