Bush's Shrinking Safety Zone

[Urbane Guerrilla]

I certainly wouldn't expect it in interrogating the terrorists. None of them speak Spanish.

Meanwhile, the scoreboard says we're still catching major players among the terrs, and it's six years and counting since the terrs have achieved any strike anywhere in the United States. Gives a guy some reason to trust the US government over the johnny-one-sour-note naysaying natterers like tw.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Meanwhile, the scoreboard says we're still catching major players among the terrs, and it's six years and counting since the terrs have achieved any strike anywhere in the United States. Gives a guy some reason to trust the US government over the johnny-one-sour-note naysaying natterers like tw.

I hate this argument, we don't know if Bush's policies helped or hurt because we have nothing to base it off of. It wasn't like we were getting repeated terrorist attacks before 9/11 and Bush stopped them all.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Meanwhile, the scoreboard says we're still catching major players among the terrs, and it's six years and counting since the terrs have achieved any strike anywhere in the United States.

Name all those terrorists caught trying to attack the US? All zero of them. Wacko extremists are so quick to post half facts. Wacko extremists would also forget another fact. Since 11 September, US government agents are no longer stifled by the George Jr administration. Suddenly Federal agents are permitted to "conduct a criminal investigation"? An exact phrase used by George Jr management to stifle a Federal investigation into 11 September before 11 September. UG routinely ‘forgets’ what does not fit in his political agenda.

Name all those terrorists held in Guantanamo or other secret American concentration camps? Or should we forget hundreds of Guantanamo prisoners, held without judicial review for years then released to freedom, who were 100% innocent. UG and other extremists routinely forget facts. If in an American concentration camp, then they must be as guilty as Hitler's Jews. That is the UG mindset – he is that scary.

No wonder those Dominos fell in Southeast Asia. Anything is possible when we rewrite history for a political agenda.

This posted to benefit new Cellar dwellers. Long time residents know UG rationalizes to protect extremism. He conveniently forgets why so many Federal investigations were quashed by the George Jr administration who still was fighting the Cold War and who even tried to create war with China over a silly spy plane.

If one is an immigrant here to pick the crops - and 53% of those farm workers we so desperately need are illegal immigrants - then UG also labels them as terrorists. More wacko extremism. This same UG mentality would justify the Holocaust – and Guantanamo. Wacko extremists are that dangerous. Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition. Nobody expects one to rewrite history even to justify torture. Others like UG also advocate torture - and love when torture is used on ‘evil’ people. UG is typical of George Jr supporters. Almost 30% so hardcore as to hate this country - to know using a political agenda rather than first learning facts. UG was not the only Cellar dweller who openly approved of torture – and American concentration camps. But others are smart enough to now stay silent.

Iraq was not a threat to anyone. In 2004, 26,500 attacks on Americans only by terrorists - not by patriotic Iraqis? In 2005, 34,000 attacks on American invaders - only by terrorists? According to UG, only terrorists who would otherwise attack North America are responsible for all those attacks. Funny how those 34,000 instead are too stupid to cross the Atlantic. More wacko extremist rhetoric that even worships torture. More wacko rationalization that somehow knows torture provides useful information - when reality says otherwise. After all, Hitler used it in his concentration camps. According to UG, torture must be good.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Name all those terrorists caught trying to attack the US? All zero of them. Wacko extremists are so quick to post half facts. Wacko extremists would also forget another fact. Since 11 September, US government agents are no longer stifled by the George Jr administration. Suddenly Federal agents are permitted to "conduct a criminal investigation"? An exact phrase used by George Jr management to stifle a Federal investigation into 11 September before 11 September. UG routinely ‘forgets’ what does not fit in his political agenda.

Name all those terrorists held in Guantanamo or other secret American concentration camps? Or should we forget hundreds of Guantanamo prisoners, held without judicial review for years then released to freedom, who were 100% innocent. UG and other extremists routinely forget facts. If in an American concentration camp, then they must be as guilty as Hitler's Jews. That is the UG mindset – he is that scary.

No wonder those Dominos fell in Southeast Asia. Anything is possible when we rewrite history for a political agenda.

This posted to benefit new Cellar dwellers. Long time residents know UG rationalizes to protect extremism. He conveniently forgets why so many Federal investigations were quashed by the George Jr administration who still was fighting the Cold War and who even tried to create war with China over a silly spy plane.

If one is an immigrant here to pick the crops - and 53% of those farm workers we so desperately need are illegal immigrants - then UG also labels them as terrorists. More wacko extremism. This same UG mentality would justify the Holocaust – and Guantanamo. Wacko extremists are that dangerous. Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition. Nobody expects one to rewrite history even to justify torture. Others like UG also advocate torture - and love when torture is used on ‘evil’ people. UG is typical of George Jr supporters. Almost 30% so hardcore as to hate this country - to know using a political agenda rather than first learning facts. UG was not the only Cellar dweller who openly approved of torture – and American concentration camps. But others are smart enough to now stay silent.

Iraq was not a threat to anyone. In 2004, 26,500 attacks on Americans only by terrorists - not by patriotic Iraqis? In 2005, 34,000 attacks on American invaders - only by terrorists? According to UG, only terrorists who would otherwise attack North America are responsible for all those attacks. Funny how those 34,000 instead are too stupid to cross the Atlantic. More wacko extremist rhetoric that even worships torture. More wacko rationalization that somehow knows torture provides useful information - when reality says otherwise. After all, Hitler used it in his concentration camps. According to UG, torture must be good.

Fair number of falsehoods there tw. You should really try to stick to facts to make your arguments. In that rant you failed.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Fair number of falsehoods there tw.

Not yet. Urbane Guerrilla has not yet published a history book with those necessary corrections.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by tw

Name all those terrorists caught trying to attack the US? All zero of them.

Which was NOT the point made: namely that they couldn't get any done.

Wacko extremists are so quick to post half facts.

As is naturally evidenced by their resident king. Or are you so quick to forget that half-truth you were peddling about the C-130J, tw? Fortunately, those of us blessed with normal memory may humiliate you continuously on that point, you ignorant slut.

Name all those terrorists held in Guantanamo or other secret American concentration camps? Or should we forget hundreds of Guantanamo prisoners, held without judicial review for years then released to freedom, who were 100% innocent. UG and other extremists routinely forget facts. If in an American concentration camp, then they must be as guilty as Hitler's Jews. That is the UG mindset – he is that scary.

As a devout Communist (never denied nor refuted, just tacitly accepted -- in view of the evidence, you could do no other, except perhaps to explicitly acknowledge Communist beliefs), you do not and cannot possibly expect anyone to accord you a superior moral position. You cannot take any position here except the immoral and the antipatriotic, because that is what you are at the core of your being, tw. I can see this, and it's hardly invisible to anyone else who has exposure to your posts. You clearly have no accurate idea of my mindset in any case; I'd say I frighten you chiefly through having no fascistocommunist sympathies whatever. I am thus a friend to mankind, and you, it seems, bitterly hate me for it -- and for being thereby so much better a man than your miserable, half-truth-peddling, low-ethics, pravda-hagridden self. I could keep stringing adjectives about your antipatriot mentality from here to the moon; they would all voice disapproval and condemnation.

The argument that the de facto if not de jure -- it's not made much difference in their treatment that I can see -- POWs in Guantanamo are getting a raw deal because they aren't being criminally tried appeals only to the specious minds, or to the treacherous "America must at all costs lose the war" set. I belong to neither group: no one possessed of anything like ethics charges POWs with crimes, nor tries them. The ethics-challenged Communist North Vietnamese did try criminalizing POWs -- without trials, at that. Even they could not sustain such a charade, nor the international obloquy that would have been the result. Only a mind as delusional as yours, tw, would have accepted such a thing. Frankly, bub, outpatient therapy would perhaps be helpful in your case: why is it you never manage an idee-fixe that is factual?

"Concentration camps," is it? First concentration camp I've ever heard of where the prisoners put on between eight and fifteen pounds in their first year, I must say. This kind of hysteric misuse of the language clearly indicates an intent to lie, and if caught in the lie, to lie harder. Well, tw, that's why you're an idiot, isn't it? You think you can fool somebody this way. Okay, I know one person you've fooled, and I'm writing, well, at him now. No truth nor enlightenment I have penetrates tw's skull, for he is a wacko extremist and prefers that state to anything an objective observer would say is right. However, everyone else around can draw back from tw and mock him for his insistent and obdurate delusion.

No wonder those Dominos fell in Southeast Asia. Anything is possible when we rewrite history for a political agenda.

This odd capitalization suggests the ruination of a chain of pizza parlors.

This posted to benefit new Cellar dwellers. Long time residents know UG rationalizes to protect extremism.

Tw's powers of psychological projection are clearly on display.

He conveniently forgets why so many Federal investigations were quashed by the George Jr administration who still was fighting the Cold War and who even tried to create war with China over a silly spy plane.

A threat of war over the EP-3 collision with a J-811M and subsequent forced landing on Hainan existed only in tw's brain. There is no evidence it emerged anywhere else. It's not been US policy to rattle the sabers over even spy planes shot down over China, and that was active, hostile use of munitions: a good handful of Taiwanese-flown U-2s were shot down before Taiwan gave up the program. More than five, fewer than twelve, if memory serves.

But try telling tw any of this. Tw, dear, the reason you have no balls is because you're hip deep in de Nile, and de crocs took 'em off one at a time because you're a slow learner.

If one is an immigrant here to pick the crops - and 53% of those farm workers we so desperately need are illegal immigrants - then UG also labels them as terrorists.

Nope. Not a fact. I've had very very little to say about illegal immigrants, as a search of my posts will show, and a search of tw's fallible memory will not.

UG is typical of George Jr supporters.

In that we understand what a foreign policy should look like, yes. Put simply, not what the Clinton Administration wasted national time and substance doing. Whatever the freckles and warts on the program, Iraq among other places seems to me to be evolving its way out of the Barnettian Gap -- tw tried twitting me about studying Barnett's writing on occasion and is now obliged to be silent on the subject -- and that is what is wanted, however early and tentative and stumbling the steps of this evolution may be.

Almost 30% so hardcore as to hate this country - to know using a political agenda rather than first learning facts. UG was not the only Cellar dweller who openly approved of torture – and American concentration camps. But others are smart enough to now stay silent.

Tw never actually approves of our doing anything that might actually win us the fight. This is active antipatriotism. He can't even answer the simple question Tw, do you want America to win? The question, asked repeatedly in other threads in Current Events and Politics, hangs tw on the horns of an exquisite dilemma: to reply in accordance with his inclinations would cause every American in the Cellar to turn on him in a fury, while to reply according to what he might think I want to hear would be to dissemble. It's an example of damned foolishness to have gotten into that position. All he can do is pretend he's missed it. Somebody whose forebrain is in better shape than his might essay a "Yes, but..." sort of answer -- but figure the odds here!

Iraq was not a threat to anyone.

Except our friends in the Gulf region like Kuwait, likely eventually Bahrain, and (however qualified) Saudi Arabia, and our friends in Europe, which is practically everybody there. Europe gets quite a lot of its oil from Iraqi sources, and Saddam embarked on two wars clearly in pursuit of petroleum hegemony and the enhanced petroleum revenues that went with it, as a way of covering staggering government debt, with options fading month by month.

We've said since Kissinger that it was a pity that both Ba'athist Iraq and the Iranian mullahs couldn't lose the Iran-Iraq war. Barring this absolute success, we were pleased enough to see that Iran got bled into a weakened condition. Half a loaf...

In 2004, 26,500 attacks on Americans only by terrorists - not by patriotic Iraqis? In 2005, 34,000 attacks on American invaders - only by terrorists? According to UG, only terrorists who would otherwise attack North America are responsible for all those attacks. Funny how those 34,000 instead are too stupid to cross the Atlantic.

A tw with a strawman argument, invented by himself that he may the more readily destroy it, is I suppose a happy tw. But then, it is hard to read happiness in tw's prose; it is usually written in a tone of feverish delusiveness and dyspepsia.

The fact is, tw has said far more about this than I have, as a search of our respective postings will show.