US Episcopal Church=PunkAssBitch

Originally Posted by glatt

That's true. The American Episcopal church is the most liberal and accepting of all the major churches. And this is the one rkzenrage is attacking?

The only reason this is in the news is because they are talking about what role gays should have in church leadership. In the leadership!! Other religions don't even want you as a member if you are openly gay, let alone in the leadership.

The one?
You must only be reading a few threads.
I have always thought the argument that an organization, party, anything, was doing X amount of good outweighs any negative thing they do, no matter how heinous and/or hypocritical, and makes them immune to criticism. It is a ridiculous statement.
Try again.

[lookout123]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Asking why I posted it is not discussion.
Try again Dr. ad hominem.

i didn't ask you why you posted it. try reading my post before you get all defensive. I asked you why it pissed you off badly enough to post it. I'm still curious.

you don't believe in what that church believes? cool.
you don't want to join? cool.
you think they are full off shit? cool.
they don't want gays in leadership? cool. it is their club, let them have it. why does it piss you off so badly that a club based on ideas you don't believe in doesn't want a certain person in a leadership position?

in theory i could understand a member of the church being upset that a gay priest they know isn't allowed a leadership position because he's gay... but you aren't a member. you're just a hater.

[Sundae]

I was joking - interested in the idea that a professional sportsperson could make more money by pretending to be gay to continue to be in the spotlight after retiring.

I think it says something about the homophobia in sport that it does become a bestseller. Can you imagine a retired popstar writing a book about the fact that they're gay? People would probably think, "Why wait til now and make a big issue out of it? Why not get some great cock when you were at the height of your sucess?"

[lookout123]

i actually lose respect (what little i had) for these celebrities that have big coming out parties. seriously, who cares? book tours? interviews?

Go over to the thread where I call out the Catholic Church and get onto me there glatt... please, I never get tired of hearing what an asshole I am from you.
Please, defend them for me baby... I need it. LOL!
They do so much goood we need to look the other way, right?

[glatt]

[lookout123]

It's ok Glatt, at least you don't have a one trick pony talking shi... oh, nevermind.

The problem is that the church makes it their business to try to get into schools, politics, they are a business that does not pay taxes, they bill themselves as a social service while excluding minorities.
They want the benefits of being a social service while having none of the accountability.
It is time that stopped.
No tax exemption, no breaking of the threshold of church and state in ANY way (that means no public endorsing of any politicians or rallies), no unsolicited evangelizing, no terrorizing/abuse of children with threats of eternal physical torture for unspecified "sinful" infringements or turning their back on some "god".
Religious personnel that serve no other purpose hold rank in the military, there is NO reason for that and it is in complete defiance of the Bill of Rights.
When these things stop, so will I.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
King James Version 1611, 1769

So do they let those who have had sex before marriage, adultery, masturbated (ever) or a divorce become administrators?
Of course they do.
More and more, Punk-Ass-Bitches.
Again, why upgrade this one?
Clearly it is because they are hung-up and sexually repressed themselves.

Right, the difference is that they do not try to influence anyone but their members, other than the occasional pre-arranged legal rally.
If that is all churches did, I would never talk about them.
You don't hear me complaining about the Jewish church, or Wiccans or others, why?
Because they don't try to infiltrate their beliefs beyond where they are wanted and are legally allowed.

[lookout123]

You don't hear me complaining about the Jewish church, or Wiccans or others, why?

cuz you haven't looked hard enough for news articles to whip you into a righteous rage?

[monster]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Right, the difference is that they do not try to influence anyone but their members, other than the occasional pre-arranged legal rally.
If that is all churches did, I would never talk about them.
You don't hear me complaining about the Jewish church, or Wiccans or others, why?
Because they don't try to infiltrate their beliefs beyond where they are wanted and are legally allowed.

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Economic freedom is personal freedom. Many of us think that you should have both, personal and economic freedom as well. Legalize it all.

All except religious freedom?

Originally Posted by monster

All except religious freedom?

I am all for personal religious freedom, as long as it stays out of the government in all ways, no breech of separation of church and state, and breaks no laws, no special treatment in ANY way.
You teach a kid that hell is real it should be treated in the courts the same way as if you told him you knew a serial killer down the street that will torture him forever if he breaks your rules... as abuse, which is what it is.

[Happy Monkey]

Religious freedom to...?

I'm all for religious freedom.
Believe anything you want.

No laws or government involvement IN ANY WAY in your belief is what is proper.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I'm all for religious freedom.
Believe anything you want.

No laws or government involvement IN ANY WAY in your belief is what is proper.

If you truly believe that, why are you so irate about the American Episocopal Church, among others?

The problem I have is with people twisting the tenets of a religion into pretzels to suit their own agenda, so they can get a piece of what they see someone else is having fun doing. Divorce, sex before marriage, homosexuality, boiling a kid in it's mother's milk, whatever.