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piercehawkeye45 · 08-26-2007, 12:55 PM

I take conservative as usually low government involvement and tend to holds more traditional viewpoints.

Conservatives don't take it as a moral issue, they usually take one side of the moral issue, which seems to be one part of the immigration situation. Right now, the law says that an immigrant can not just cross a border without registering. Usually conservatives use the argument that they have broken the law,as one of their arguments. The justification of breaking laws comes down to a moral issue? When is it justified to break a law and when is it not? Usually liberals say breaking the law is justified or that we can not just deport them and usually conservatives so that breaking the law is not justified so we these people should be punished or they should not receive the services that legal immigrants get because they broke the law.

Clodfobble · 08-26-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by queequeger

Accepted, now is this fact for or against more accepting immigration laws?

Against, for the most part. The people who contribute here and now have a relatively easy time getting in. The people who want to make a better life for themselves have a harder time because A.) there are many, many more of them and B.) they cannot contribute as much or as soon. I think a guest worker program is reasonable, because if there are jobs available then obviously someone is more than welcome to fill that job. But deportation (of those people we already know are not working) is a joke, currently.

I forget which politician was recently touting the idea, but I think doing away with the anchor baby law would go a long way towards solving the problem.

queequeger · 08-26-2007, 03:49 PM

So do you think that the change made to the law should be that if an illegal immigrant has a child we should deport the whole family, child included, meaning the parent must be a citizen in order to gain citizenship? Or do you think we should deport the parents and put the kids up for adoption?

Clodfobble · 08-26-2007, 03:59 PM

I think a baby that happens to be born within our borders should not automatically be granted citizenship. I think we should deport the parents or not, depending only on the status of the parents, and if they have kids, of course their kids go with them. If the parents gain citizenship, then their minor children should be fast-tracked for citizenship, as foreign spouses of citizens are now.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-26-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by queequeger

That's anecdotal. I could easily provide other stories of individuals to support my claim. I was asking for some sort of actual evidence of so many people wanting to come here.

Anecdotal? Someone who's actually delt with the system and knows how expensive and difficult it is and how bad the odds are after going to that expense and bullshit? My point is 10 million (your number) go through all that to try to get here. With no barrier except the cost of transportation, easily 10 times that many would on their way.

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And please, calm down the name calling and personal insults. All you do with things like that is make enemies of people who hold no ill will toward you.

Unless you're offering to suck my dick, I have enough friends, thank you.

bluecuracao · 08-26-2007, 09:14 PM

Bruce, don't make us start a thread about you.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-26-2007, 10:05 PM

Have at it.

bluecuracao · 08-27-2007, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Clodfobble

I forget which politician was recently touting the idea, but I think doing away with the anchor baby law would go a long way towards solving the problem.

Anchor baby law? You must mean the Fourteenth Amendment.

Spexxvet · 08-27-2007, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

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Unless you're offering to suck my dick, I have enough friends, thank you.

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Originally Posted by bluecuracao

Bruce, don't make us start a thread about you.

You beat me to it, Blue. RK has nothing over Bruce, but where are all the detractors?

yesman065 · 08-27-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

You beat me to it, Blue. RK has nothing over Bruce, but where are all the detractors?

Start a thread if you feel the need - then they'll surely come out. You know how the crowd mentality works - after a few get things started, a poll will surely follow and it'll be rolling along with a life of its own.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-27-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

You beat me to it, Blue. RK has nothing over Bruce, but where are all the detractors?

I've got you Spex, so whine away. Let me know when your set up and I'll come pretend I give a hairy rat's ass, just to make you feel good. OK?

elSicomoro · 08-27-2007, 05:39 PM

Bruce, seriously, what's up lately? You seem more testy than usual...this is how you got before you went AWOL earlier this year. Hope you're alright.

roost · 08-27-2007, 05:43 PM

I can claim my tithe in taxes, So this must be the only part subject to tax. I know they can stay at our motel without paying taxes as long as they have a tax exempt form.
Actually Charities pay taxes on donations also. Just not living expense taxes.

08-27-2007, 05:48 PM

The US's immigration system is actually easier to navigate and it is easier to become a citizen of this nation than most nations of the world.
People just don't want to hear this basic truth.
The myth is that it is SO hard to become a citizen of the US, but that is a lie.
Try looking-up how hard it is to become a citizen of Sweden, China, or 95% of other nations and then compare it to the States and suddenly the lies become clear.
Just because more want to become citizens of the US does not equal entitlement.
I don't know where this idea that want=some kind of currency came from, but it is bullshit.
It is harder to become a Mexican citizen than that of the US and their Southern border is ten-times more militantly patrolled and those crossing illegally are treated in ways no one in the US would EVER be treated... but that is "different".
Bull-shit.
Again and again, immigration is a legal issue and ONLY a legal issue and our laws are far more fair than most of the world's, even those of the nation's where people are coming from.
If you come here illegally, you are a criminal and have no right to complain about being treated as one.

yesman065 · 08-27-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

it is easier to become a citizen of this nation than most nations of the world.
Just because more want to become citizens of the US does not equal entitlement.
I don't know where this idea that want=some kind of currency came from, but it is bullshit.
It is harder to become a Mexican citizen than that of the US and their Southern border is ten-times more militantly patrolled and those crossing illegally are treated in ways no one in the US would EVER be treated... but that is "different".
Bull-shit.
Again and again, immigration is a legal issue and ONLY a legal issue and our laws are far more fair than most of the world's, even those of the nation's where people are coming from.
If you come here illegally, you are a criminal and have no right to complain about being treated as one.

I agree with the first few parts, but the last part I have to add one caveat to . . . They have no rights - period.

08-26-2007, 03:49 PM	#303
queequeger Hypercharismatic Telepathical Knight Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The armpit of the Universe... Augusta, GA Posts: 365	So do you think that the change made to the law should be that if an illegal immigrant has a child we should deport the whole family, child included, meaning the parent must be a citizen in order to gain citizenship? Or do you think we should deport the parents and put the kids up for adoption? __________________ Hoocha, hoocha, hoocha... lobster.

08-26-2007, 10:05 PM	#307
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Have at it. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-26-2007, 12:55 PM	#301
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I take conservative as usually low government involvement and tend to holds more traditional viewpoints. Conservatives don't take it as a moral issue, they usually take one side of the moral issue, which seems to be one part of the immigration situation. Right now, the law says that an immigrant can not just cross a border without registering. Usually conservatives use the argument that they have broken the law,as one of their arguments. The justification of breaking laws comes down to a moral issue? When is it justified to break a law and when is it not? Usually liberals say breaking the law is justified or that we can not just deport them and usually conservatives so that breaking the law is not justified so we these people should be punished or they should not receive the services that legal immigrants get because they broke the law.

08-26-2007, 03:59 PM	#304
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I think a baby that happens to be born within our borders should not automatically be granted citizenship. I think we should deport the parents or not, depending only on the status of the parents, and if they have kids, of course their kids go with them. If the parents gain citizenship, then their minor children should be fast-tracked for citizenship, as foreign spouses of citizens are now.

08-26-2007, 09:14 PM	#306
bluecuracao in a mood, not cupcake Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,034	Bruce, don't make us start a thread about you.

08-27-2007, 05:39 PM	#312
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	Bruce, seriously, what's up lately? You seem more testy than usual...this is how you got before you went AWOL earlier this year. Hope you're alright.

08-27-2007, 05:43 PM	#313
roost Eavesdropper Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 24	I can claim my tithe in taxes, So this must be the only part subject to tax. I know they can stay at our motel without paying taxes as long as they have a tax exempt form. Actually Charities pay taxes on donations also. Just not living expense taxes.

08-27-2007, 05:48 PM	#314
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	The US's immigration system is actually easier to navigate and it is easier to become a citizen of this nation than most nations of the world. People just don't want to hear this basic truth. The myth is that it is SO hard to become a citizen of the US, but that is a lie. Try looking-up how hard it is to become a citizen of Sweden, China, or 95% of other nations and then compare it to the States and suddenly the lies become clear. Just because more want to become citizens of the US does not equal entitlement. I don't know where this idea that want=some kind of currency came from, but it is bullshit. It is harder to become a Mexican citizen than that of the US and their Southern border is ten-times more militantly patrolled and those crossing illegally are treated in ways no one in the US would EVER be treated... but that is "different". Bull-shit. Again and again, immigration is a legal issue and ONLY a legal issue and our laws are far more fair than most of the world's, even those of the nation's where people are coming from. If you come here illegally, you are a criminal and have no right to complain about being treated as one.

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