China, doing their part to contain GHG

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

If we sign the Kyoto Protocol, that would force China and India to control their GHG once they reach 1st world status.

Why? Why do you think they would give a rat's ass, unless it would be in their own self interest? And if it's in their own interest, what difference does it make who else is on board?

China at least, is finding out already, the hard way, how pollution hurts them, and is starting to make moves to mitigate that. There is a very real danger of them blowing their grand show as Olympic host.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Why? Why do you think they would give a rat's ass, unless it would be in their own self interest? And if it's in their own interest, what difference does it make who else is on board?

They could continue to make bad environmental decisions but wouldn't they be under the Kyoto Protocol when they become a 1st world country so they would have the same amount of pressure put on them as the US would?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

They could continue to make bad environmental decisions but wouldn't they be under the Kyoto Protocol when they become a 1st world country so they would have the same amount of pressure put on them as the US would?

When is the last time anyone had the ability to influence1,323,058,938 Chinese to do anything they didn't want to do?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

When is the last time anyone had the ability to influence1,323,058,938 Chinese to do anything they didn't want to do?

Never, you couldn't influence the US to do anything neither or the European countries according to Clod. I said they would be under the same restrictions as the US, which still isn't a lot.

I think there should be a more joint agreement with China to help stop their output as well.

The more expensive we make it for our industry to produce here at home the more likely companies will simply take that industry to countries which have no such restrictions.

Couldn't you just extend that to all American based companies? You could still easily get passed that but it would at least help a little. And other countries are starting to put tougher restrictions on environmental practices now that they realize that bad environmental practices by companies will greatly hurt them once the company leaves and forces them to clean up the company's mess.

I believe we need to continue on a course of trying hard to clean up our own country. We need a strong relook of the environment in this country ASAP post-Bush.

I agree with this 100% but doubt it will happen.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

And other countries are starting to put tougher restrictions on environmental practices now that they realize that bad environmental practices by companies will greatly hurt them once the company leaves and forces them to clean up the company's mess.

That was the point of the article, only to this point China has refused to do so and it is at the expense of the world. It is not countries like the US and European nations that are the problem, It is countries like China and India.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

When is the last time anyone had the ability to influence1,323,058,938 Chinese to do anything they didn't want to do?

1949

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

They could continue to make bad environmental decisions but wouldn't they be under the Kyoto Protocol when they become a 1st world country so they would have the same amount of pressure put on them as the US would?

They are already arguing the way output is measured, I doubt that will change. I firmly believe China will do what they feel is best for China, no matter what.