Ending God's Tax Exempt Status - Page 2

xoxoxoBruce · 08-20-2007, 12:24 AM

Do away with $8,022,000,000 in agricultural subsidies.
And with $23,000,000,000 in foreign aid.
Don't forget the $418,000,000,000 in Medicare/Medicaid.
Not to mention the billions and billions in lost taxes on forest, farm and open space land that don't pay the same rate as Joe Homeowner.

Now who else can we spew a little hate on?

08-20-2007, 12:25 AM

Off Topic.
Also, I am not talking about government spending I am talking about more government money.
Hate?
No emotion here... at least not from me.

Cloud, it relates to their tax status because they are exempt for what reason?
Seriously?
Why are they exempt?
They are not charities. Studies show that churches use 95%, on average, of their funds for "administrative costs".
There is no reason for them to be tax exempt.
In most states they own more land and investments than any single industry.
They are a business, nothing more, and we should treat them as such.
I am not saying they should not exist, I am saying that unless they are a charity and use the predominance of their funds for charitable activities (preaching is not charity) they do not have any reason to be tax exempt.

lumberjim · 08-20-2007, 12:28 AM

lumberjim · 08-20-2007, 12:32 AM

lumberjim · 08-20-2007, 12:34 AM

penis facts

Cloud · 08-20-2007, 12:35 AM

I work with non-profit organizations all the time, as well as religious organizations, and I would like to point out that your definition of non-profit entities is too narrow. Non-profit entities legally comprise more types of organizations that just "charities." So, your premise that if an entity is not a "charity," it should not be tax-exempt doesn't wash.

08-20-2007, 12:35 AM

What is being a prick about wanting to end the free ride religion gets in this nation?
Please be specific.
If they are non-profit just to self-exist they should not be tax exempt.
If they provide a service like an educational foundation, charity school or museum then standards must be met. Income to service percentage vs. administrative costs being the determining factor.
A church exists just to exist, though most invest quite a bit and exist to grow.

Again, having to repost something I have already written, sad.

Cloud · 08-20-2007, 12:37 AM

hey, it's a DORK!

lumberjim · 08-20-2007, 12:38 AM

nothing.

the prick thing was about you and bruce pissing at each other again.

oh, and editing a post from one line.....( 'Off Topic') to a whole three paragraph post is kind of lame.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-20-2007, 12:38 AM

So you want to do away with separation of church and state.

08-20-2007, 12:41 AM

Nope.
Tax does not tell anyone what to do.
Pure income to tax ratio like ANY business.

08-20-2007, 12:42 AM

Or, BETTER YET, they can DO the charity the actually CLAIM to do with the money you give them.

lumberjim · 08-20-2007, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

What is being a prick about wanting to end the free ride religion gets in this nation?
Please be specific.
If they are non-profit just to self-exist they should not be tax exempt.
If they provide a service like an educational foundation, charity school or museum then standards must be met. Income to service percentage vs. administrative costs being the determining factor.
A church exists just to exist, though most invest quite a bit and exist to grow.

Again, having to repost something I have already written, sad.

ok, that's 2 posts in a row that you have changed drastically after a reaction was posted.

you suck

you can go fuck yourself with your redundant condescending tone and stupid nonproductive whining. you're a malcontent. you have too much time on your hands and all you do is regurgitate shit you read somewhere else.

dead to me

elSicomoro · 08-20-2007, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lumberjim

Church of the Whale Penis

xoxoxoBruce · 08-20-2007, 12:53 AM

Tax exempt non-profits in my zip code, look up yours here
ADAM MCGUGIN MEMORIAL RESEARCH FUND
ALLENPOWER INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION
AMERICAN LEGION
AMERICAN LEGION POST 190 STEVENSON BAXTER
AMIKE UNITED ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA INC
ARCHDIOCESAN SENIOR CITIZENS COUNCIL OF PHILADELPHIA
BETA CHI ALUMNI ASSOCIATION OF LAMBDA CHI ALPHA
BIG HOUSE PLAYS & SPECTACLES INC
BROOKHAVEN FIRE COMPANY
BROOKHAVEN FIRE COMPANY NO 1 RELIEF ASSOCIATION 04
CHESTER CHRISTIAN SCHOOL AKA THE CHRISTIAN ACADEMY
CHESTER CITY HEALTH ASSOCIATION
CHESTER UPLAND CITIZENS FOREDUCATIONAL PROGRESS INC
COLUMBUS QUINCENTENNIAL FOUNDATION INC
COMMUNITY GOSPEL CHAPEL
DELAWARE COUNTY ASSOCIATION OF BOROUGHS
DELAWARE COUNTY FIELD AND STREAM ASSOC
DELAWARE COUNTY INTERFAITH HOSPITALITY NETWORK
DELAWARE VALLEY MENSA
FAMILY AND LIFE ACHIEVEMENT CENTER
FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE
FREE & ACCEPTED MASONS OF PENNSYLVANIA
FREE & ACCEPTED MASONS OF PENNSYLVANIA
FREE & ACCEPTED MASONS OF PENNSYLVANIA
FRIENDS OF CALEB PUSEY HOUSE
GARAGE INC
JOSEPH J BARRETT SR MEMORIAL ALL-STAR GAME AND SCHOLARSHIP FUND
KOINONIA FELLOWSHIP OF CHURCHES
LIFEWERKS INC
MENS INTERNATIONAL PEACE EXCHANGE
ORDER OF AHEPA
PANHELLENIC ASSOCIATION OF WIDENER UNIVERSITY
PARKSIDE SENIOR CENTER
PENN-DEL ARCHERS
PI LAMBDA PHI FRATERNITY
RESURRECTION LIFE CHURCH
ROYAL ARCH MASONS OF PENNSYLVANIA
SHORTWOOD WILDLIFE ASSOCIATION
STUDENTS IN LEADERSHIP PROGRAM INC
TALL CEDARS OF LEBANON OF NORTH AMERICA
THETA CHI FRATERNITY INC
TOASTMASTERS INTERNATIONAL
TREE OF LIFE MINISTRIES
UKRAINIAN NATIONAL WOMENS LEAGUE OF AMERICA BROOKHAVEN BRANCH 2
UPLAND BAPTIST CHURCH
UPLAND FIRE CO NO 1

08-20-2007, 12:24 AM	#16
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Do away with $8,022,000,000 in agricultural subsidies. And with $23,000,000,000 in foreign aid. Don't forget the $418,000,000,000 in Medicare/Medicaid. Not to mention the billions and billions in lost taxes on forest, farm and open space land that don't pay the same rate as Joe Homeowner. Now who else can we spew a little hate on? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-20-2007, 12:25 AM	#17
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Off Topic. Also, I am not talking about government spending I am talking about more government money. Hate? No emotion here... at least not from me. Cloud, it relates to their tax status because they are exempt for what reason? Seriously? Why are they exempt? They are not charities. Studies show that churches use 95%, on average, of their funds for "administrative costs". There is no reason for them to be tax exempt. In most states they own more land and investments than any single industry. They are a business, nothing more, and we should treat them as such. I am not saying they should not exist, I am saying that unless they are a charity and use the predominance of their funds for charitable activities (preaching is not charity) they do not have any reason to be tax exempt. Last edited by rkzenrage; 08-20-2007 at 12:30 AM.

08-20-2007, 12:28 AM	#18
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	__________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

08-20-2007, 12:32 AM	#19
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	__________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

08-20-2007, 12:34 AM	#20
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	penis facts __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

08-20-2007, 12:35 AM	#21
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	I work with non-profit organizations all the time, as well as religious organizations, and I would like to point out that your definition of non-profit entities is too narrow. Non-profit entities legally comprise more types of organizations that just "charities." So, your premise that if an entity is not a "charity," it should not be tax-exempt doesn't wash. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

08-20-2007, 12:37 AM	#23
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	hey, it's a DORK! __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

08-20-2007, 12:38 AM	#24
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	nothing. the prick thing was about you and bruce pissing at each other again. oh, and editing a post from one line.....( 'Off Topic') to a whole three paragraph post is kind of lame. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

08-20-2007, 12:41 AM	#26
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Nope. Tax does not tell anyone what to do. Pure income to tax ratio like ANY business.

08-20-2007, 12:42 AM	#27
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Or, BETTER YET, they can DO the charity the actually CLAIM to do with the money you give them.

08-20-2007, 12:53 AM	#30
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Tax exempt non-profits in my zip code, look up yours here ADAM MCGUGIN MEMORIAL RESEARCH FUND ALLENPOWER INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION AMERICAN LEGION AMERICAN LEGION POST 190 STEVENSON BAXTER AMIKE UNITED ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA INC ARCHDIOCESAN SENIOR CITIZENS COUNCIL OF PHILADELPHIA BETA CHI ALUMNI ASSOCIATION OF LAMBDA CHI ALPHA BIG HOUSE PLAYS & SPECTACLES INC BROOKHAVEN FIRE COMPANY BROOKHAVEN FIRE COMPANY NO 1 RELIEF ASSOCIATION 04 CHESTER CHRISTIAN SCHOOL AKA THE CHRISTIAN ACADEMY CHESTER CITY HEALTH ASSOCIATION CHESTER UPLAND CITIZENS FOREDUCATIONAL PROGRESS INC COLUMBUS QUINCENTENNIAL FOUNDATION INC COMMUNITY GOSPEL CHAPEL DELAWARE COUNTY ASSOCIATION OF BOROUGHS DELAWARE COUNTY FIELD AND STREAM ASSOC DELAWARE COUNTY INTERFAITH HOSPITALITY NETWORK DELAWARE VALLEY MENSA FAMILY AND LIFE ACHIEVEMENT CENTER FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE FREE & ACCEPTED MASONS OF PENNSYLVANIA FREE & ACCEPTED MASONS OF PENNSYLVANIA FREE & ACCEPTED MASONS OF PENNSYLVANIA FRIENDS OF CALEB PUSEY HOUSE GARAGE INC JOSEPH J BARRETT SR MEMORIAL ALL-STAR GAME AND SCHOLARSHIP FUND KOINONIA FELLOWSHIP OF CHURCHES LIFEWERKS INC MENS INTERNATIONAL PEACE EXCHANGE ORDER OF AHEPA PANHELLENIC ASSOCIATION OF WIDENER UNIVERSITY PARKSIDE SENIOR CENTER PENN-DEL ARCHERS PI LAMBDA PHI FRATERNITY RESURRECTION LIFE CHURCH ROYAL ARCH MASONS OF PENNSYLVANIA SHORTWOOD WILDLIFE ASSOCIATION STUDENTS IN LEADERSHIP PROGRAM INC TALL CEDARS OF LEBANON OF NORTH AMERICA THETA CHI FRATERNITY INC TOASTMASTERS INTERNATIONAL TREE OF LIFE MINISTRIES UKRAINIAN NATIONAL WOMENS LEAGUE OF AMERICA BROOKHAVEN BRANCH 2 UPLAND BAPTIST CHURCH UPLAND FIRE CO NO 1 __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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