The Cellar  

Go Back   The Cellar > Main > Current Events
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Current Events Help understand the world by talking about things happening in it

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-14-2007, 09:06 PM   #1
piercehawkeye45
Franklin Pierce
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 3,695
Do you think it may be the airstrikes that are helping cause the martyrdom?

Suicide bombings in Palestine seem to be much different than suicide bombings by Al Qaeda. The ones in Palestine seem to be much more an act of desperation caused from a hopeless life (if I can't become a doctor I will become a martyr) while Al Qaeda's seem to be a forceful act from educated middle class (non-hopeless situation) trying to force their delusional romantic idea of paradise on Earth.

Remember, Hamas got elected by a 2/3rds margin in a non-fixed election (if it was fixed it was not towards Hamas), that is a big statement considering Hamas does not rule Palestine by fear like Al Qaeda and the Taliban do. This means that moderate Palestinians are resorting to extremism even though the majority of Palestinians want peace. What does this say about the situation?

I do not agree with some of Hamas tactics but to make them the sole "bad guy" without seriously dwelling on the cause and effects that have led to what we have now will seriously warp any realistic view of the current situation.
piercehawkeye45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 01:19 PM   #2
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Quote:
Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 View Post
...considering Hamas does not rule Palestine by fear like Al Qaeda and the Taliban do. This means that moderate Palestinians are resorting to extremism even though the majority of Palestinians want peace. What does this say about the situation?

I do not agree with some of Hamas tactics but to make them the sole "bad guy" without seriously dwelling on the cause and effects that have led to what we have now will seriously warp any realistic view of the current situation.
I would disagree, as would many Palestinians, that Hamas does not rule by fear. The Palestinians are as fractionalized as US politics.
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 06:50 PM   #3
piercehawkeye45
Franklin Pierce
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 3,695
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMercenary View Post
I would disagree, as would many Palestinians, that Hamas does not rule by fear. The Palestinians are as fractionalized as US politics.
Of course there will be some fear, but not even close to the same level as Al Qaeda or the Taliban. Unless you are part of an opposing party (PLO, Fatah, etc) you are pretty much not going to be bothered, and more likely helped by Hamas since they spend most of their budget on social services like heath care, welfare, and education (not just propaganda too).
piercehawkeye45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-15-2007, 07:26 PM   #4
TheMercenary
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo”
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 21,393
Quote:
Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45 View Post
Unless you are part of an opposing party (PLO, Fatah, etc) you are pretty much not going to be bothered...
And you don't see the failure in this logic. What hell man? "Unless you are part of an opposing party" That is no democracy. Fatah, among others, is a huge part of the equation. This is not just about Hamas.
__________________
Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!
TheMercenary is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:17 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin Version 3.8.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.