Men Abortion and Choice

And I see it as the man has as much right to the fetus as the womans as it is half his.
Your view is matriarchal because you feel the woman should have sole choice in the matter.
You are saying the woman should have the right to force the man to allow his child to be aborted with no say.
For you it is all for nothing, I am not saying that.
I am saying if the man states he is willing to accept full custody, and only then, he can take responsibility for the child.
Can a man force a woman to have an abortion if he does not want a child?
Why not? By your logic, if someone does not want a child they should not be FORCED to have it in the world.
Same thing.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I am saying if the man states he is willing to accept full custody, and only then, he can take responsibility for the child.

But he can't. It's in her body. He can't take custody.

By your logic, if someone does not want a child they should not be FORCED to BRING it inTO the world.
Same thing.

I fixed the quote. Neither the man nor the woman should be forced to carry the fetus to term, if they don't want to.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

And I see it as the man has as much right to the fetus as the womans as it is half his.

Yet, she has to feed and put up with it for nine months while you don't have to do anything, hardly equal.

Your view is matriarchal because you feel the woman should have sole choice in the matter.

She is not forcing her views on anyone though. If a woman wants to get an abortion she is not forcing any view on anyone else, if a man wants to stop an abortion he has to force his views on her. That is why your view is patriarchal and I am not matriarchal. You are forcing your views on other people while the woman is not forcing anything on the man. The system is naturally unequal.

You are saying the woman should have the right to force the man to allow his child to be aborted with no say.

How can you force a man to allow his child to be aborted? Once his sperm leaves his body he has no control over what happens to the baby so nothing can be forced upon him.

I am saying if the man states he is willing to accept full custody, and only then, he can take responsibility for the child.

In an ideal world I would love for that to happen, but as long as the woman gives birth it can not be equalized. If you can find a way where a woman doesn't have to give birth then your point is valid, until then it isn't.

Can a man force a woman to have an abortion if he does not want a child?

Yes he can physically but that would be a man forcing his influence on a woman. As long as a woman gives birth she has an unequal say on the matter, and until you can find a way for woman not to give birth it will stay that way.

Why not? By your logic, if someone does not want a child they should not be FORCED to have it in the world.

Because the man doesn't give birth to the child he can not be forced to have it. Once the sperm leaves his body, he does not have natural control on the matter.