Horrifying gang rape & assault on mother & son

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Cicero

I don't think this can be blamed on anyone but the kids in question. It wasn't their environment, the failure of public education, or the faults of their parents.
Maybe they are just f'ing evil folks. The same kind of people can come from a very healthy background with a supportive family and great education.

Its hard to make that argument since most of the crime like this comes from lower class communities. This has been the trend throughout history that poverty allows a greater number and more brutal (at least on the surface) crime on an individual level.

If these kids were raised in a suburban neighborhood, I have a really hard time believing they would be pulling the same shit. They would still be the "bad" kids but suburban kids that get in trouble have no comparison to urban kids that get in trouble.

In reality, it has to be a great mixture of genetics, parenting, and environment.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

In reality, it has to be a great mixture of genetics, parenting, and environment.

Fair statement.

[Cicero]

Clarification

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Its hard to make that argument since most of the crime like this comes from lower class communities. This has been the trend throughout history that poverty allows a greater number and more brutal (at least on the surface) crime on an individual level.

If these kids were raised in a suburban neighborhood, I have a really hard time believing they would be pulling the same shit. They would still be the "bad" kids but suburban kids that get in trouble have no comparison to urban kids that get in trouble.

In reality, it has to be a great mixture of genetics, parenting, and environment.

Tell that to Jeffery Dahmer. Not that I disagree that more sick stuff happens in the impoverished areas. I just think that you are letting suburbanites off the hook. Just like everyone else.......I know what suburbanite kids do.
Never heard of the football team rapists? Not to be cliche but.......

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Cicero

Clarification

Tell that to Jeffery Dahmer. Not that I disagree that more sick stuff happens in the impoverished areas. I just think that you are letting suburbanites off the hook. Just like everyone else.......I know what suburbanite kids do.
Never heard of the football team rapists? Not to be cliche but.......

I was raised in a suburban area and it is not even close to as bad as urban areas. Yes, there will be a be a few sick kids in suburban areas but those are extremely rare while crime in urban areas is more common. Suburban kids do not have the social motivation to pull any of that shit.


Don't we have a law like "No cruel or unnecessary punishment"? Torturing the victims isn't going to fix anything, it is just going to show who has the bigger cock. These kids should be punished greatly but to torture them to make yourself feel better is still extremely sick disturbing and pointless.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Don't we have a law like "No cruel or unnecessary punishment"?

It's unusual punishment, which means different from what society normally hands out. Society determines what the punishment should be. At one time everyone convicted of capital crimes was shot or hung. We've unfortunately gotten away from that, but we could change that and still stay within the Constitutional restriction on "unusual".