Second Chances

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/16/wo...ewanted=1&_r=1


Iran doesn't have as much influence as you think. Most of the violence comes from Saudi Arabia.

I don't believe the Saudi government is supplying arms that are killing the US troops.

[xoxoxoBruce]

There was something on the news tonight about about more than half the insurgents coming into the country are from Saudi Arabia. Maybe they are bored kids from well off families that can pack up and leave for adventure?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

There was something on the news tonight about about more than half the insurgents coming into the country are from Saudi Arabia. Maybe they are bored kids from well off families that can pack up and leave for adventure?

I have no doubt about that. It is the source for much of the Wahhabist movement and hence an undercurrent of extremism.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I don't believe the Saudi government is supplying arms that are killing the US troops.

Yet, the vast majority of American deaths are from arms that come from Saudi Arabia. The number of deaths resulting from Iranian arms are extremely small and most are most likely just coming from Iranian civilians.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Yet, the vast majority of American deaths are from arms that come from Saudi Arabia. The number of deaths resulting from Iranian arms are extremely small and most are most likely just coming from Iranian civilians.

Really? Got something to back that statement up?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Really? Got something to back that statement up?

Yes, I have posted this article about three times already.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...cy/index1.html

What do you make of the recent furor over the Iran government supposedly arming the militias and killing 170 American soldiers?

It's tragic-funny. There have been over 3,000 U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, which means more than 2,830 people were killed by Sunnis, the real insurgents. The way this has been advertised in the press is incredibly disingenuous. Money and weapons and personnel have been coming across the Saudi and Syrian borders for four years and have been directly aiding Sunni insurgents, who are responsible for the lion's share of U.S. casualties. It's the height of hypocrisy to attack Iran and not criticize Saudi Arabia.

The whole thing is incredibly overblown. If a foreign country invaded Mexico, American weapons would start turning up in Mexico. There may even be senior American officials who are providing weapons to prevent that country from invading us. The Iranians may be doing the same thing. At a maximum, what the Iranian government is doing is arming people they see as their allies to prevent Sunni insurgents from launching attacks on them. Or from a radical Sunni state emerging inside Iraq. They see it as an act of self-defense.

But if you want to know who is responsible for the fact that al-Qaida is succeeding in Iraq, it's Saudi Arabia. The most common nationality of foreign insurgents in Iraq has been Saudis. Where do you think all the money comes from to pay for these operations? It's from Saudi donors.