Horrifying gang rape & assault on mother & son

[smurfalicious]

Originally Posted by danac

I wouldn't be at all surprised if one or more of these boys is still too dangerous to be allowed out into society when they are in their forties... Most important issue for me, is removing dangerous people from mainstream society and keeping them incarcerated until they have been reformed enough to pose no threat...

I think you hit the nail on the head with removing dangerous people from mainstream society. I don't believe our prison system is reformatory in any way, shape or form. However, some people just don't belong in society. Britain had the right idea - throw all the criminals that can't function in society on an island somewhere far, far away. [Disclaimer: I love Australia, I don't think Aussies are criminals, and if I could vacation anywhere in the world, Australia is at the tops of my list.]

Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I don't buy that they just weren't "developed" enough to understand.

They were certainly "developed" enough to
(a) bring and wear condoms during the attack
(b) develop a plan of attack, which included 10 assailants
(c) bring and/or find guns
(d) use household chemicals to pour all over the bodies of the victims to erase DNA and other evidence
(e) and for God's sake, THEY MADE THE VICTIMS PARTAKE IN INCESTUAL ACTS AT GUNPOINT. Jesus fucking Christ!


My problem with drawing a line in the sand is that not every rule applies to every person. Our government and court system, lacking though it may be, was developed to address these kinds of issues. As an example, I know 2 brothers. 1 was mature enough to drive a vehicle at age 14. His brother is 17, and I don't think I'd trust that boy to help my 8 year old cross the street.

Maturity involves not just age, but other factors, like emotional/social/physical development, certainly socioeconomic factors play a part, and knowing the difference between right and wrong. At age 14, you know what rape and assault are, and you know they're wrong. Some of these kids have already been determined to have criminal records - and I will go out on a low and long limb here and say I will guarantee that most of these boys have criminal records already.

As far as I'm concerned - and as far as the court systems are also concerned apparently - these kids are perverts, too. Watching a young boy perform a sex act... who gets off (sexually or otherwise) on that kind of thing??? And with his mother??? I'll tell you who - the kind of people who are fucked in the head and don't belong in society where they can do this sort of thing.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by smurfalicious

They were certainly "developed" enough to
(a) bring and wear condoms during the attack
(b) develop a plan of attack, which included 10 assailants
(c) bring and/or find guns
(d) use household chemicals to pour all over the bodies of the victims to erase DNA and other evidence
(e) and for God's sake, THEY MADE THE VICTIMS PARTAKE IN INCESTUAL ACTS AT GUNPOINT. Jesus fucking Christ!

What do any of those have to do with "developed"?

[smurfalicious]

They had knowledge to know that what they were doing was wrong and illegal, or they wouldn't have tried to cover it up. If I committed a crime, I wouldn't know that ammonia would erase fingerprints and DNA evidence or whatever. That's because even though I'm twice the age of these little bastards, I'm less criminally "developed" than them.