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Old 07-05-2007, 03:36 AM   #1
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China & North Vietnam were already red states.
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Old 07-05-2007, 06:40 AM   #2
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tw - Please don't use Dallek as a source. His cheerleading for Democrat imperial Presidencies helped lead to our present difficulties.
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Old 07-05-2007, 09:53 PM   #3
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China & North Vietnam were already red states.
These were the first two dominoes: 1949 and 1954. Remember there was some undercurrent of blame-gaming over "who lost China" for many years.
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Old 07-09-2007, 04:37 PM   #4
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From the BBC of 9 Jul 2007:
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US Iraq chief warns of long war
The head of US forces in Iraq, Lt Gen David Petraeus, has told the BBC that fighting the insurgency is a "long term endeavour" which could take decades.
In less time, the United States built arm forces almost from scratch, fought wars on almost every continent, and won all those wars. In more time, the Iraqis still don't have an useful Army? It says so much about a leadership (and his supporters even here in the Cellar) who are so much in denial AND who cannot even define a strategic objective.
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... Gen Petraeus's efforts, which might have saved the day for the Bush administration if they had been introduced three, or even two, years ago, may well have come too late.
People who actually support the troops have been saying that for how long? "Mission Accomplished"? There was no insurgence until America created one. That even defined by lessons in any first year course in Military Science.

Are we finally seeing light at the end of a tunnel? Depends on whether we threaten Cheney with impeachment or support the troops by implementing what those with minimal knowledge understood as the only viable solution - Iraq Study Group.

Notice how extremists among us avoid any mention of that ISG report and its withdrawal. Same people also fear to touch the other damning questions - "When do we go after bin Laden?"

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