U.S. Can Not Detain Legal Residents Without Charge

[xoxoxoBruce]

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Think that's a catchy but ridiculous claim? Apparently the UK police don't think so now.

British criminals could have access to as many as four million illegal firearms, criminal intelligence experts warn.

The criminal possession and use of firearms, a hallmark of urban America, is now a significant threat in Britain, too, says the National Criminal Intelligence Service (NCIS), despite moves to increase penalties for gun crime.

Senior police officers admit that more needs to be done in tracking the source of illegal guns flooding Britain in a bid to curb gun-related violence.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Think that's a catchy but ridiculous claim? Apparently the UK police don't think so now.

But notice that there aren't scores of articles - from any area of the press - demanding we be given the right to carry guns. It really isn't considered an aspect of freedom in this country - as Dana said it's not been part of our culture for a very long time.

So to hear your countrymen described as weak, undeserving of freedom and generally pathetic for letting a fascist Government ride rough-shod over them is really baffling.

As I've said before, I know the UK does not have all the answers. Not when it comes to weapons, drugs, terrorism or healthcare. But I refuse to believe this country is sliding into dumb, drone-like slavery at the hands of The State. I also think that anyone who believes that should come and visit us for a while and talk to real Brits on the street. I don't mean the reasonably literate, reasonably liberal people who have the time and money to post here. I mean real, passionate, ignorant and blinkered Brits. The dry humour, lack of respect for authority and general all-round awkwardness of the average Brit in the street should reassure you that we don't do dictators here. Not since we woke up after Cromwell's death and decided, "I'll dance if I fucking well want to" anyway.

I really appreciate the diversity of views on here, but railing against what foreigners choose to do with their own country rarely gets you anywhere. Least of all when your opinions simply don't connect with people of that nationality.

I don't live in the land of the free. Fair enough. My upbringing in this country means I value things differently, and what you call freedom doesn't really concern me all that much. I'm not whistling past the graveyard - I'm a product of my upbringing. Much as Duck Duck is unable to understand how her perception of crime in America concerns anyone here.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

big snip~ I really appreciate the diversity of views on here, but railing against what foreigners choose to do with their own country rarely gets you anywhere. Least of all when your opinions simply don't connect with people of that nationality. ~snip

No shit, do you think we aren't aware of that? Not everyone is Duck Duck, but we hear it every fucking day from one Brit/European/Aussie/Oriental or another, who feel quite free to criticize everything about the US. We don't do anything right, everything is our fault from the economy to the god damn weather.

I posted that article about guns in Britain to demonstrate to the all knowing, that just making a law against guns doesn't instantly solve the problem. This is an excellent example because Brits are not a gun culture, and if there is still a problem there, imagine how bad it would be here.

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

No shit, do you think we aren't aware of that? Not everyone is Duck Duck, but we hear it every fucking day from one Brit/European/Aussie/Oriental or another, who feel quite free to criticize everything about the US. We don't do anything right, everything is our fault from the economy to the god damn weather.

Bruce, of all the users on the internet something like 70% come from the US. Most message board sites revolve around US issues or people.

If the general trend is to talk about US politics as it is here, rather than british, asian or australian, then of course members from other nations will comment.

Why are you arking up at SG for explaining that the US perception of other nations isn't entirely accurate? Surely that means both sides are guilty of the same thing?

[xoxoxoBruce]

I'm arking? What the fuck is that?

She said

I really appreciate the diversity of views on here, but railing against what foreigners choose to do with their own country rarely gets you anywhere. Least of all when your opinions simply don't connect with people of that nationality.

I pointed out that's something we put up with every fucking day.

Now what's your problem?

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Now what's your problem?

Three times I wrote and destroyed a post to ask the same question. Really, Aliantha. What is your point? You make accusations. But your posts are so short on facts and examples that only speculation can make sense. Yes, that is what many must do to reply - speculate as to what you are saying.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Three times I wrote and destroyed a post to ask the same question. Really, Aliantha. What is your point? You make accusations. But your posts are so short on facts and examples that only speculation can make sense. Yes, that is what many must do to reply - speculate as to what you are saying.

You really are an anti-American Socialist idiot aren't you?

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I'm arking? What the fuck is that?

She said I pointed out that's something we put up with every fucking day.

Now what's your problem?

To ark up means to get cranky. Pardon me for thinking you were cranky when you were using abusive language in your post. I guess you were just talking.

With regard to the rest of my post. My point was that the reason US citizens might feel criticised by posters from other nations is because it's mostly US issues which get discussed online due to the fact that it's mostly US users online. To be honest, I don't see too many people from other nations saying anything different to the sorts of things US citizens say though.

If you disagree then fine. I was just trying to suggest a reason for what seems to be a problem for you.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

To ark up means to get cranky. Pardon me for thinking you were cranky when you were using abusive language in your post. I guess you were just talking.

You guess right.

With regard to the rest of my post. My point was that the reason US citizens might feel criticised by posters from other nations is because it's mostly US issues which get discussed online due to the fact that it's mostly US users online. To be honest, I don't see too many people from other nations saying anything different to the sorts of things US citizens say though.

But when an American does it to some other country, we're arrogant dicks, we don't understand other cultures. Well, it goes both ways.

If you disagree then fine. I was just trying to suggest a reason for what seems to be a problem for you.

My problem is you accusing me of dumping on SG, when I was saying I understand what she's talking about because we see it every god damn day.