This is MY America!

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

How is Africa's or Asia's, or India's or Australia's history important to American K-12 students? World history can only be alloted so much time in a full curriculum. US history is more important for American students to understand and US history is eurocentric.

And Europe's history is very dependant on Africa's, Asia's, and India's history. World history is important because it shows how everything came to be with foreign policy and current events.

You're right there, I never heard of it. Are you talking about Thor Heyerdahl theory? Tell me how this effects US history any more than the people that have been here 10, 20, 30 thousand years?
well duh, US history is eurocentric.

It affects world and African history. If you do not want world history to be taught fine, but I personally think we should learn about other lifestyles so we can understand current events and other countries.

Unlike Mr Cosby, "Most Black Leaders" are making a tidy living off perpetuating inequality.... it's their bread & butter. How did these people become the black leaders? By telling people to get off their asses and make something of themselves then turn around and help those that follow? Of course not, it was by telling People what they wanted to hear. Tell them it's not their fault, it's whitey keeping them down. There's a fortune in perpetuating the 50's. Black people of my generation, that I work with, had it tough, damn near intolerable. I don't think I could have gone through what they did without exploding. Even they are disgusted with these whining kids.

Or you could go for the middle ground, which neither of them hit.

Yeah, I'm aware of Elliots games, and no it doesn't translate to the real world without intentional application. That ain't happening.

I'm calling you out on that. It may not be as intensive as that but there is no way that it doesn't apply. Just because you don't recognize white supremacy in America doesn't mean that it isn't there.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

And Europe's history is very dependant on Africa's, Asia's, and India's history. World history is important because it shows how everything came to be with foreign policy and current events.

Are you going to spend the whole day on World history? There's only so much time, that's not going to increase, so tell me what you want to cut? US history? English? Math? Science? What is less important than World history?

It affects world and African history. If you do not want world history to be taught fine, but I personally think we should learn about other lifestyles so we can understand current events and other countries.

Then major in it when you get to college. You still haven't told me about these Africans that came to the Americas before Columbus, I'm all ears.

Or you could go for the middle ground, which neither of them hit.

Sure you could do that, but the truth would be better.

I'm calling you out on that. It may not be as intensive as that but there is no way that it doesn't apply. Just because you don't recognize white supremacy in America doesn't mean that it isn't there.

Just because you imagine the nation is rife with white supremacy doesn't make it so. But white supremacy is such a nebulous term, what the fuck is the definition white supremacy in your little world? Whites are still the majority, am I supposed to be ashamed of that?

Of course people have prejudices, that's the way people are, you can't change that. That doesn't make it institutionalized. And guess what, with the rise of the gangsta/rapper culture there's a lot more prejudice than there was 30 years ago. But it's still a lame excuse for quiting.

Don't tell me that minorities can't get out of poverty if they are willing to work for it. Perhaps you missed the thread on Billion Dollar Roundtable, a handful of companies that spent over $24Billion, with a B, buying stuff from minority and women's businesses last year. Are you telling me these businesses aren't hiring qualified minorities and women? Qualified, not drop outs. Not ebonics speaking thugs, either.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Are you going to spend the whole day on World history? There's only so much time, that's not going to increase, so tell me what you want to cut? US history? English? Math? Science? What is less important than World history?

I learned about world history and we didn't cut anything.

Then major in it when you get to college. You still haven't told me about these Africans that came to the Americas before Columbus, I'm all ears.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/af...chapter3.shtml

Just because you imagine the nation is rife with white supremacy doesn't make it so. But white supremacy is such a nebulous term, what the fuck is the definition white supremacy in your little world? Whites are still the majority, am I supposed to be ashamed of that?

White Supremacy is where the people with power are white and act in the intrests of whites. The news corporations assume all white readers. Is America ready for Obama? No, is white America ready for Obama? Black America is more than ready for Obama. The assumption that America = white America is white supremacy.

Don't tell me that minorities can't get out of poverty if they are willing to work for it. Perhaps you missed the thread on Billion Dollar Roundtable, a handful of companies that spent over $24Billion, with a B, buying stuff from minority and women's businesses last year. Are you telling me these businesses aren't hiring qualified minorities and women? Qualified, not drop outs. Not ebonics speaking thugs, either.

I'm not saying that it is impossible, just the difficulty is unreasonable. A white suburban kid can get to graduate school without a sweat but a black inner city kid has to work his ass off, sometime with multiple jobs to get to that point. Scholarships go about 50/50 so it isn't much of an advantage either.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I learned about world history and we didn't cut anything.

So why are bitching it's not taught?
Didn't cut anything, yet people study World history their whole lives and never learn it all.
Don't be fooled into thinking what you thought you learned, is all there is. I guarantee it's not.
I say 'thought' you learned, because you might have gotten it wrong, as far as it's effect on the World that's not always apparent.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/af...chapter3.shtmlYour link says...

"So Abubakar equipped 200 ships filled with men and the same number equipped with gold, water, and provisions, enough to last them for years…they departed and a long time passed before anyone came back. Then one ship returned and we asked the captain what news they brought.

He said, 'Yes, Oh Sultan, we travelled for a long time until there appeared in the open sea a river with a powerful current…the other ships went on ahead, but when they reached that place, they did not return and no more was seen of them…As for me, I went about at once and did not enter the river.'

The Sultan got ready 2,000 ships, 1,000 for himself and the men whom he took with him, and 1,000 for water and provisions. He left me to deputise for him and embarked on the Atlantic Ocean with his men. That was the last we saw of him and all those who were with him.

And so, I became king in my own right."
Mansa Musa, talking to Syrian scholar Al-Umari.

This is your evidence Africans came to North America before Columbus? Nigga, please.

White Supremacy is where the people with power are white and act in the intrests of whites. The news corporations assume all white readers. Is America ready for Obama? No, is white America ready for Obama? Black America is more than ready for Obama. The assumption that America = white America is white supremacy.

You don't think the papers know down to the gnat's eyebrow, who's buying their papers?
Is white America ready for Obama... because the country is what, 12% black and I doubt many of the Ganstas and gang bangers vote so take off some for them. Take some more for children and people that don't bother. Limited power base, isn't it?
Do you understand why they aren't targeted more by the politicians. Not saying their votes aren't important or sought, just limited. I'll bet more Hispanics vote than blacks.

I'm not saying that it is impossible, just the difficulty is unreasonable. A white suburban kid can get to graduate school without a sweat but a black inner city kid has to work his ass off, sometime with multiple jobs to get to that point. Scholarships go about 50/50 so it isn't much of an advantage either.

Where the fuck did you grow up? Graduate school without sweat? And pay for it too?
Now I see your problem, grew up privileged and are suffering guilt pangs. Here's a tip, don't. Just take it and run with it, make a fortune and put some ghetto kids through college. It'll make you warm and fuzzy, plus you'll become part of the solution.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So why are bitching it's not taught?

Because I want to improve the system...

Didn't cut anything, yet people study World history their whole lives and never learn it all.
Don't be fooled into thinking what you thought you learned, is all there is. I guarantee it's not.
I say 'thought' you learned, because you might have gotten it wrong, as far as it's effect on the World that's not always apparent.

The same goes for US history and you still want that taught.

This is your evidence Africans came to North America before Columbus? Nigga, please.

If you want more, here you go.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Col...ntact#Africans
http://www.jannah.org/articles/precolumbus.html

You don't think the papers know down to the gnat's eyebrow, who's buying their papers?
Is white America ready for Obama... because the country is what, 12% black and I doubt many of the Ganstas and gang bangers vote so take off some for them. Take some more for children and people that don't bother. Limited power base, isn't it?
Do you understand why they aren't targeted more by the politicians. Not saying their votes aren't important or sought, just limited. I'll bet more Hispanics vote than blacks.

That has nothing to do with "White America = America" and how that is white supremacy. You just said they are the minority, which is pretty obvious. You can't just ignore the minority or issues like racism and effects of it will show up.

Where the fuck did you grow up? Graduate school without sweat? And pay for it too?
Now I see your problem, grew up privileged and are suffering guilt pangs. Here's a tip, don't. Just take it and run with it, make a fortune and put some ghetto kids through college. It'll make you warm and fuzzy, plus you'll become part of the solution.

I am not just talking about suburban kids. I will have to take out loans and pay for it just like most of the rest of the middle class in America.

Guilt pangs? Or maybe I see the system as unfair and want to help to change it. You can view them as the same for all I care but I'm not just going to say "fuck you" to everyone that isn't me or isn't like me.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I'm not saying "fuck you" either.
I'm also not saying "after you".
You want it, earn it like I do.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

White Supremacy is where the people with power are white and act in the intrests of whites. The news corporations assume all white readers. Is America ready for Obama? No, is white America ready for Obama? Black America is more than ready for Obama. The assumption that America = white America is white supremacy.

Pierce, with all due respect, you are stuck on stupid on this issue.