This is MY America!

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Commercialism has nothing to do with this.

The people that write history books are the ones that have to do with this among other people.

That's the lamest excuse in the world. Stop looking back and start looking forward, if you want to accomplish something. Listen to Bill Cosby, he was shouted down for telling the absolute truth. The only way to oppress someone in the US today, is convince them they can't because someone is holding them down. Convince them they are powerless and shouldn't try. That's been the formula since the first slave/servant/peon in history.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That's the lamest excuse in the world. Stop looking back and start looking forward, if you want to accomplish something.

How is that an excuse? Only learning about white history is something that may seem small but has big effects. That is the racism that hurts America.

Listen to Bill Cosby, he was shouted down for telling the absolute truth. The only way to oppress someone in the US today, is convince them they can't because someone is holding them down. Convince them they are powerless and shouldn't try. That's been the formula since the first slave/servant/peon in history.

You like Bill Cosby because he is saying what you want to hear. He is saying one extreme while other people say the other when it is the middle ground. Not many blacks can relate to Bill and the person I've heard criticize him the most comes from someone who got a graduate degree from Yale recently so it isn't just an excuse.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

...and the person I've heard criticize him the most comes from someone who got a graduate degree from Yale recently so it isn't just an excuse.

Come on you know that doesn't hold water in public opinion. Cosby is a leader in the black community. Many people respect him.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Don't tell me why I do anything, got it?
White history? What the fuck is white history? US history? Do you want to change George Washington to Chinese?

Cosby speaks the truth, if you go to a job interview dressed like a hood with your hat on sideways and speaking ebonics, you're not going to get hired. It that so hard to understand?
There's no future in sitting on your ass whining how the man is keeping you down, that's complete bullshit. Dropping out of school guarantees poverty.

Not working for something better because you think you have to work harder than somebody else, is hurting nobody but yourself. Guess what, everybody has to work harder than somebody, that's life.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Don't tell me why I do anything, got it?
White history? What the fuck is white history? US history? Do you want to change George Washington to Chinese?

No, just the sole focus on white history by leaving out all other cultures.

Cosby speaks the truth, if you go to a job interview dressed like a hood with your hat on sideways and speaking ebonics, you're not going to get hired. It that so hard to understand?

That is not what people are criticizing him for. Most people actually agree with what you just said. It’s about his lack of understanding of where most blacks are coming from.

There's no future in sitting on your ass whining how the man is keeping you down, that's complete bullshit. Dropping out of school guarantees poverty.

Do you have any idea why these kids drop out of school or the pressures involved? Do you have any idea what their lives are like? It is easy to criticize from an outside standpoint when you have no understanding of what their world is like. Obviously, there will be work involved and I, with most other people, do not want to give them a free ticket if they do not earn it I am talking about the obstacles engrained in society that are holding them back. Every source I've heard has said that the general feelings in inner city schools are much different than suburban which will cause great effects in the future.

Not working for something better because you think you have to work harder than somebody else, is hurting nobody but yourself. Guess what, everybody has to work harder than somebody, that's life.

If blacks have to work harder than whites that is racism within the system.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

If blacks have to work harder than whites that is racism within the system.

Please...

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

No, just the sole focus on white history by leaving out all other cultures.

Assuming you're talking about k-12, I had the history of the World, it was pretty condensed which would be expected and the history of the US which was pretty white. There weren't a lot of important slaves in US history. Others, like the Indians, Mexicans, Canadians, Hawaiians are mentioned when they were significant to the US history. The fact that the US was created by white people, and it's leaders have been white people should be altered to bolster the minority self esteem? There has been some minority inventors and entrepreneurs who made big contributions to lifestyle, but they were not our leaders. History class can't cover all the other people, non leaders, that contributed to building the country, because there are other subjects they have to learn too.

That is not what people are criticizing him for. Most people actually agree with what you just said. It’s about his lack of understanding of where most blacks are coming from.

Bullshit, he knows exactly where they are coming from. He came from a poor family when there really was discrimination, when it really was tough for a black kid to get anywhere. His advantage was, it was a time when parents parented and didn't allow their kids to give up 'cause the man was holding them down. They were told to get their ass in gear and do the best they could... if they wanted to have something they would have to work for it... that the people they should look up to were not gangsta's, drug dealers and asshole athletes. They were more worried about disappointing their parents or getting a trip to the wood shed than their self esteem.

Do you have any idea why these kids drop out of school or the pressures involved? Do you have any idea what their lives are like? It is easy to criticize from an outside standpoint when you have no understanding of what their world is like. Obviously, there will be work involved and I, with most other people, do not want to give them a free ticket if they do not earn it I am talking about the obstacles engrained in society that are holding them back. Every source I've heard has said that the general feelings in inner city schools are much different than suburban which will cause great effects in the future.

The obstacles they face today are lack of parenting and largely created in their own society. Rap/gangsta culture, screwed up values, blame the man instead of taking personal responsibility and buying into the 'poor me' mentality is what is killing their chances to make it, not whitey.

If blacks have to work harder than whites that is racism within the system.

They don't, they have to work harder than people that are smarter than they are. They have to work harder than people that will settle for less. They have to work harder than the people that sit on their ass collecting welfare, street hustling and blaming whitey.

I see minorities, every day, promoted to their level of incompetence... and beyond... because cultural diversity is politically correct. As a matter of fact my boss is black. He doesn't strike me as a genius, just a regular guy that worked hard to get what he's got. He's successful because he EARNED it.

Since you're so convinced it's all my fault, tell me what you expect me to do about it? Yes you are... I'm white, I'm part of the oppressive system, I'm the man.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I'm the man.

Yes, yes you are, and you do a fine good job of it.