Memorial Day and the Constitution

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Well said, Rich; I'm impressed. This is the kind of thing I read The Cellar -- or any other fairly brainy BBS -- for.

Though I don't know why you think that page is "on Fox" -- the only Fox mentioned thereon is one Colonel Wesley Fox.

I took that oath myself, and I do find it rather continues to inform my life and its philosophy to this day. Not bad for gov't issue.

Don't fret about "forcing" our constitution on anybody, Pierce: in the instances where it's been done, it's worked very well, to the prosperity and stability of the nations so forced. I think this is because our combination of political and economic liberty is not something unique to America -- we were just the first ones to do it -- but that it will work for any humans, anywhere, as long as other, more grasping, humans don't queer it for everyone.

My time on earth has given me more faith in democracy, liberty, and capitalism than you yet have, Pierce.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Well said, Rich; I'm impressed. This is the kind of thing I read The Cellar -- or any other fairly brainy BBS -- for.

Though I don't know why you think that page is "on Fox" -- the only Fox mentioned thereon is one Colonel Wesley Fox.

Thank you UG. And I was incorrect about Fox. This particular individual was on GOPUSA.com.

While some people might go 'same difference', it was incorrect. With a little more digging I'm sure I can find a Fox News connection, but the task would be pointless.

I find this part disturbing.

Keeping in mind their oath, which, by its very language specifies obligations to the Constitution and not necessarily to the sitting president, officers either ignored Clinton's directives or vocally confronted the damaging effect of his enduring loathing of the military.

He really does sound like the whiny bastards who didn't want Truman integrating the armed services. I wonder if he'll apply the same standard to officers who 'vocally confront' the president on Iraq.

If this guy is a homophobic idiot who doesn't like "don't ask, don't tell" then he should do us all a favor and out all of the gay soldiers in Iraq. I'm sure their family and friends would like to see the 5,000-15,000 men and women there come home. I'm also sure that they don't want to leave since each one of them has a 'get out of Iraq' ticket and has not used it. I'm also sure their immediate superiors and squad mates know and don't care.

Guys who think that duty and honor only apply to straight, (probably white), conservatives are stupid and, if their attitudes infect the chain of command, dangerous.

The only reason we can co-exist is because of one piece of paper written over 200 years ago. Amazing.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Don't fret about "forcing" our constitution on anybody, Pierce: in the instances where it's been done, it's worked very well, to the prosperity and stability of the nations so forced.

I wouldn't really consider Iraq a success...

I think this is because our combination of political and economic liberty is not something unique to America -- we were just the first ones to do it -- but that it will work for any humans, anywhere, as long as other, more grasping, humans don't queer it for everyone.

Most people do want what we have, I agree, but it is pointless to force it upon them if they do not want it because it will fail miserably. If they want what we have they can have it but we should never tell them what they want.