Ohio lethal injection takes 2 hours, 10 tries

[Flint]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

...You've made up your mind, with your "IRON-CLAD LOGIC", that I only have two choices. I reject that notion. Your "IRON-CLAD LOGIC" may limit your thinking, but not mine.

Logic "limits your thinking" to what is actually possible. Think of this as a flowchart:

- Do you believe that the judicial system is 100% infallible?

If Yes: You have not "limited your thinking" via logic. (This is not an actual option).
If No: Then you must acknowledge the possibility that people will be wrongly convicted/sentenced/executed.

- Do you support the state-sanctioned execution of innocent human beings?

If Yes: You must consciously accept innocent deaths as a trade-off for the benefits of the Death Penalty.
If No: You do not accept innocent deaths as a trade-off for the benefits of the Death Penalty. You cannot support the Death Penalty.
If No, BUT you SUPPORT the Death Penalty: You have not "limited your thinking" via logic. (This is not an actual option).

Either you disagree that the system is imperfect, or you think that innocent deaths are acceptable. Those are the only options.

Are you familiar with the term Cognitive Dissonance?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Flint

Are you familiar with the term Cognitive Dissonance?

Yes, but that's your problem.

Everyone executed has been proven guilty by the legal system. Saying the legal system can't be 100% perfect does not mean the must be executing innocent people. If they are in your state then do something about it. I'm comfortable with mine.

[Flint]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Everyone executed has been proven guilty by the legal system.
Saying the legal system can't be 100% perfect does not mean the must be executing innocent people.

Oh, Bruce. The possibility exists that an innocent person could be executed. Point-Blank Question: Do you agree? Yes or No?

Originally Posted by Bruce

If they are in your state then do something about it. I'm comfortable with mine.

Going on the offensive, huh? Nice.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Flint

Oh, Bruce. The possibility exists that an innocent person could be executed. Point-Blank Question: Do you agree? Yes or No?

Fuck your yes or no, you don't tell me my options, I told you that before.
Not everything can be broken down to simple flow charts, in the real world. The real world has too many variables for that.

I don't believe my state is going to execute any innocent people. I said that before, also.
If you have some moral objections to executing criminals, don't do it.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Fuck your yes or no, you don't tell me my options, I told you that before.

What is wrong with the formulation of Flint's question? Is there something misleading about the question itself? Are there more options than yes or no? If so, what are they?

[xoxoxoBruce]

If I accept his yes/no ultimatum, then I'm accepting his whole flow chart. I don't.