Do You Own a Gun?

[piercehawkeye45]

Prove that it is a fact. Have fun with abstract concepts.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Prove that it isn't. The problem is you're applying the concept only to guns when it applies to everything you do. The rights you are born with, you can't fully exercise until you are of age, because your parents with the help of society, suppress your freedom of choice.

That doesn't mean you lost them, because when you reach the age, you can exercise them..... unless you escape before then. Then It's up to you what rights you want to relinquish and for what in return.

If you have a ball, but your parents won't let you play with it until you're 18, it's still your ball. If your parents destroy it, you've lost it, but thats only because it's a physical item. That's also exactly why rights can't be taken away, they can only be given away.

[Aliantha]

Radar, I don't think refering to a whole nation as a bunch of rednecks is going to endear anyone to your cause.

I would argue that we have a higher level of freedom in Australia than just about anywhere else in the western world.

I guess I can excuse you for your ignorance though. How would you really know what it's like here?

[xoxoxoBruce]

You are probably right, Ali, simply because you have the elbow room. With a population of 20 million it's easier to do what you wish with out stepping on someone's toes. It's that toe stepping that makes them want to come up with new restrictions, like a teacher trying to keep order in an overcrowded class by making more rules.

Oh, and you say redneck like it's a bad thing. Tell her Buster.

[Aliantha]

Yeah, we have more room, but most of it's desert where no one except indigenous people have been able to live. We definitely don't have the same issues with population that other more populated countries do, but we still don't have enough resources to support what we do have. Namely water at the moment. Our deserts are growing, water is becomming more scarce, and yet our primary industries are not changing their way of thinking in order to face these changes head on.

We definitely have issues here, and definitely some things are more highly regulated than others, but in my experience and from my own observations, we still have a very ideal lifestyle here. Maybe I only say that because I've lived here all my life so I'm culturally socialized to think that way, but it's amazing how many people from other countries are enthralled with the lifestyle here. There must be something attractive about it.

[Aliantha]

Hmmm...I don't want to get into a discussion with Buster. I don't think he likes me. lol

[busterb]

Oh well.

[busterb]

Not true. I like most folks that I've met from downunder.

[xoxoxoBruce]

As an outsider with limited input, I get the impression that generally life there is more laid back and less go go go than here.

[Aliantha]

Well it's nice to know you don't dislike me buster. I had the feeling you didn't (or found me particularly annoying) after your responses to a couple of my posts recently.

[Aliantha]

Yeah, life here is pretty sweet as far as day to day stuff goes. Australian's are also generally very socially conscious. This could be either a symptom or a cause of our social service system. Either way, there are good safety nets in place which probably directly contributes to generally lower levels of stress in the general population.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

Radar, I don't think refering to a whole nation as a bunch of rednecks is going to endear anyone to your cause.

I would argue that we have a higher level of freedom in Australia than just about anywhere else in the western world.

I guess I can excuse you for your ignorance though. How would you really know what it's like here?

The "level of freedom" can be measured in a number of ways. I say if you can't carry a gun you don't have any freedom at all. I'd say America is a much more free place than Australia, though you're ok on prostitution.

I do know a bit about Australia, having been there when I was on a WestPac in the Navy, and having quite a number of Australian friends. A friend of mine has art displayed in an Australian museum. Australians in general are very friendly people; even those who are less educated about things like freedom...like you.

I was even approached about teaching for the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology a few years ago.

[Aliantha]

Now you're just being a rude prick Radar. There's no need.

I hope your daughter is doing well.

Cya.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Your right to own guns is not a fact. You just made it a fact because it is your perspective on how everyone should live. That means not everyone thinks it is a fact that it is your right to own a gun. All you are doing is forcing your views on other people and pathetically thinking that your way to live is the right way to live. There is no right way to live and hopefully you can accept that. What you are doing is just the same thing as forcing people not to own guns but in the reverse form.

Man that was backward.
You just can't get it.
Freedom, remember?
The right to be free.
We own guns because we have the right to be free... we force nothing on others.
You are perfectly free not to own a gun.
Our way we both live as we like.

Your way, you FORCE others to your will because you can't stand the fact that they don't agree with you.
Pretty simple, but you won't get it because you choose not to understand freedom.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Your right to own guns is not a fact. All you are doing is forcing your views on other people and pathetically thinking that your way to live is the right way to live.

I see. So if I don't check with you to see whether or not its ok for me to have a gun then I'm forcing my view on you?

If you had made that post when Daniel Webster was still alive, your words would have been immortalized as a timeless example in the definition of self-contradictory.

One thing I can tell you, sir: no right of mine is contingent on your opinion. And if the argument - or rather that bullet in your left foot you just proferred as one is any example of how developed your socio-political ideas are then maybe you should stick with engineering.