Do You Own a Gun?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

I don't, though Mrs. Dallas has made noise about doing some kind of target shooting before. I'm tempted to buy her an air rifle of some sort for her birthday, but I don't know of anywhere that would be good to shoot it. (Our yard, being kind of postage-stamp sized, and irregularly shaped at that, doesn't seem like a good candidate.)

An air rifle is not going to save your ass.

I would recommend one of two courses of action.

!. Don't buy a gun and accept the fact that if you are ever accosted you will become some sort of statistic. That is a perfectly acceptable position to assume, the majority of people do it on a regular and daily basis.

2. Buy a gun, train with it, shoot it to stay proficient, take a formal handgun self defense course, and never point it at anything you are not willing to kill.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

...!. Don't buy a gun and accept the fact that if you are ever accosted you will become some sort of statistic...

What statistic are you insinuating.

[SteveDallas]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

An air rifle is not going to save your ass.

I said "target shooting," not self defense. If I thought a real gun would be beneficial for me to have, I'd have one already.

[Beestie]

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

I don't, though Mrs. Dallas has made noise about doing some kind of target shooting before.

I took SWMBO to the shooting range a while back. I told her that I didn't mind so much that she doesn't want one but that not knowing how to load/find the safety/aim/shoot a variety of handguns was not acceptable. A few people from DC were there enjoying some of the freedoms that citizens of Virginia take for granted.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Beestie

I took SWMBO

I love it!

We use that.

[Undertoad]

There's no reason to fuck around, SD, talk to people at a real shooty range.

IMO, everyone should fire a handgun at a piece of paper for a while to see what it's really like.

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

There's no reason to fuck around, SD, talk to people at a real shooty range.

IMO, everyone should fire a handgun at a piece of paper for a while to see what it's really like.

You know, we could consider a GTG ...

Anybody belong to an outdoor range with liberal guest privileges?

[DucksNuts]

An under/over shotgun called Bess and a Stainless Browning 308.

[SadistSecret]

The "victim" statistic, probably.

[piercehawkeye45]

Everyone is born with rights but once you join a society you give up some rights to be accepted in the society.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Everyone is born with rights but once you join a society you give up some rights to be accepted in the society.

False. Your rights end where another person's begin, but you do not "give up" your rights to be accepted in society. Society has no rights. Society is a collection of individuals. Individuals have no legitimate authority or power to deny another person to exercise their rights. They therefore can't legitimately grant this power to government.

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Radar

False. Your rights end where another person's begin, but you do not "give up" your rights to be accepted in society. Society has no rights. Society is a collection of individuals. Individuals have no legitimate authority or power to deny another person to exercise their rights. They therefore can't legitimately grant this power to government.

What are you talking about?

Not like I had much choice since I was born here but I gave up my right to drink under the age of 21, use marijuana, have grenades, have nuclear weapons, kill someone, rape someone, hold whoever I want prisoner, own someone, and millions of other "rights" to live here without getting fined or going to jail.

Do you have a right to own a nuclear weapon? Why can't I own nuclear weapons? Because I decided to live in a society where nuclear weapons are outlawed therefore I gave up my right to own nuclear weapons to live in my society.


I have to agree 100% with Shawnee123 on this one. Rights are just like ethics, something that is made up by society. Also, you can not confuse philosophy (rights, ethics) with science (gravity, evolution) because one will disappear once humans are gone and the other will continue until heat death.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

What are you talking about?

Not like I had much choice since I was born here but I gave up my right to drink under the age of 21, use marijuana, have grenades, have nuclear weapons, kill someone, rape someone, hold whoever I want prisoner, own someone, and millions of other "rights" to live here without getting fined or going to jail.

Do you have a right to own a nuclear weapon? Why can't I own nuclear weapons? Because I decided to live in a society where nuclear weapons are outlawed therefore I gave up my right to own nuclear weapons to live in my society.


I have to agree 100% with Shawnee123 on this one. Rights are just like ethics, something that is made up by society. Also, you can not confuse philosophy (rights, ethics) with science (gravity, evolution) because one will disappear once humans are gone and the other will continue until heat death.

What are YOU talking about? Yes, You do have the right to smoke marijuana. You also have the right to drink alcohol when you've reached the age of majority (18), and you have the right own grenades, and even nukes as long as you don't use them to infringe on the rights of others and you can ensure that your neighbors are not harmed by radiation caused by them.

All laws against any of these things is a violation of our rights and is a violation of the U.S. Constitution and natural law. You haven't given up your right to own nukes. You may choose not to exercise them, and they you may have your rights violated by being prevented from owning them by force, but this does not mean you don't have the right or that you've given up the right.

Your rights can't be bought, sold, taken, given, or voted away. If every person in the world voted for gravity to go away, we'd still have gravity tomorrow, and the same is true of our rights.

You do not have the right to rape, kill, imprison, or own people because this violates their rights. Your rights end where another person's begin. They don't come from government and government has no legitimate authority to limit our rights. This means you couldn't have given up a right or even chosen not to exercise it because you never had such a right.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

... You also have the right to drink alcohol when you've reached the age of majority (18)...

Why not before 18? Who determines the age of majority?

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by Radar

...You do not have the right to rape, kill, imprison, or own people because this violates their rights. Your rights end where another person's begin. They don't come from government and government has no legitimate authority to limit our rights. This means you couldn't have given up a right or even chosen not to exercise it because you never had such a right.

Do I have the right to have sex with animals? To commit suicide? Is running a stop sign infringing on others' rights, if no one else is at the intersection?