Imus and Nappy-headed-ho's - Page 2

04-13-2007, 01:36 AM

You are either an American or you are not.
There is only one race, the human one.
Your nose or melanin content does not mean shit.
Call me a name, since it has to do with Me, it is a compliment... I am awesome!

Imus has every right to say what he said, as do everyone to react the way they did.
I also agree the double standard for "minorities" is for bigots and fools. If it is not ok for one person, it is not ok for anyone and the reaction should be the same.
A cracker is a FL cowboy that uses a whip to drive cattle out of palmettos and scrub. I grew-up as one.
There are black, hispanic and white crackers... the term in the vernacular always confused me.

piercehawkeye45 · 04-13-2007, 01:50 AM

First, yes, there is a double standard against whites for use of words but the real double standard is against minorities. There is so much racism against minorities it is really embarrassing and you have the balls to complain about not being able to say a word? Do you have the balls to say this to a mostly non-white forum Merc because I can direct you to one if you want?

The fact that this double standard has made such a big deal proves of America's racism. If anything goes against minorities it is seen as normal or covered up while any double standard against whites is the worst thing in the world. If you want to end racism you will have to start with white supremacy because without that, you don't have any other double standards.

DanaC · 04-13-2007, 05:15 AM

Well said pierce.

And Merc of course I recognise my own country's part in history. Nor am I beating on your country when I talk about its historic and current role in racial politics. I feel no guilt for my country's role. I do however recognise my country's role. Its simply a matter of history.

Griff · 04-13-2007, 06:43 AM

I already said this in unpopular opinions but the deal is, Imus was fired for the true ugly things he said about Clinton and Bush not the false ugly things he said about the Rutgers' women.

tw · 04-13-2007, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

Imus was fired for the true ugly things he said about Clinton and Bush not the false ugly things he said about the Rutgers' women.

1970s Imus was hilarious.

Quote:

Dr Billy Sol Harkness of the good Church of the gooey death; discount house of workship coming to you from Del Rio Texas-

I don't care if it rains or freezes
Long as I got my plastic jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car.

I could go 100 mile an hour
Long as I got the almight power
Right up there with my pair of fuzzy dice.

After an airliner was hijacked to Cuba, Imus called Cuba to negotiate a discounted purchase of a used 727. US State Department was not amused.

Those were the days when Imus, Soupy Sales, and Howard Sterm shared the same radio station. Amazing how hate in both radio (Rush Limbaugh) and music (hip hop) is now considered entertainment. Amazing that the color of one's skin now determines what that person can and cannot say.

Clodfobble · 04-13-2007, 07:55 AM

Imus will be back on the air in a couple of months, you just watch. His co-host had already been fired and re-hired three times for offensive statements.

TheMercenary · 04-13-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

I feel no guilt for my country's role. I do however recognise my country's role. Its simply a matter of history.

This is the same way most whites feel in this country. I have no guilt about it either.

duck_duck · 04-13-2007, 08:25 AM

I'm surprised by this whole thing because I hear some of the girls at my school call each other worse names. I would have never known what he said was a racial remark if somebody didn't point it out.

TheMercenary · 04-13-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

First, yes, there is a double standard against whites for use of words but the real double standard is against minorities. There is so much racism against minorities it is really embarrassing and you have the balls to complain about not being able to say a word? Do you have the balls to say this to a mostly non-white forum Merc because I can direct you to one if you want?

The fact that this double standard has made such a big deal proves of America's racism. If anything goes against minorities it is seen as normal or covered up while any double standard against whites is the worst thing in the world. If you want to end racism you will have to start with white supremacy because without that, you don't have any other double standards.

I am not complaining about not being able to say a word. Yes, I have the balls to say it to anyone anywhere to their face. I assure you that I will say anything I have said here to anyone in person.

The fact that there is a double standard among blacks that no one wants to address is the issue. You can't have it both ways and ever expect advancement and equal treatment. I am all for ending racism. I want to see negros step up and admit and deal with it as well instead of exploiting this case, the Duke case, the Brawley case, and all other cases where people went over board in an attempt to make something huge out of an issue to further an agenda on race.

Beestie · 04-13-2007, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The fact that there is a double standard among blacks that no one wants to address is the issue. You can't have it both ways and ever expect advancement and equal treatment. I am all for ending racism. I want to see negros step up and admit and deal with it as well instead of exploiting this case, the Duke case, the Brawley case, and all other cases where people went over board in an attempt to make something huge out of an issue to further an agenda on race.

I agree. So does this guy.

Shawnee123 · 04-13-2007, 09:29 AM

This painfully liberal human being agrees as well.

Someone called a comment into a local paper, saying: Imus is an equal opportunity insulter. That's true.

What those girls accomplished should not be minimized. The class they showed afterwards should not be minimized.

However, I feel they let some shock jock minimize them by even acknowledging a stupid statement made by someone who is irrelevant to them and their accomplishments.

Rkz has it right: color of skin is inconsequential in what kind of person you are. Why do we continually let others' idiocy have any bearing on what we really are?

I'm ready for flames, but this whole issue was just stupid. It was a stupid thing to say, it was stupid to overreact, and it's stupid to pretend that only minorities are discriminated against.

Pssst...Bruce Willis used the word "broad" referring to women last night on the Letterman show. He also made joking references to how many women he has bedded. I am abhorred, offended, downtrodden. He has demeaned my womanhood with his callous, uncalled for statements. I demand the immediate dismissal of Bruce from whatever contracts he has, I want his new movie pulled from the theaters, and his old ones from the DVD store shelves. I want a public apology, though that won't be enough. I want him stripped of his title "Maxi-Mega Super Star." He has lessened the fact that I was born with a vagina, and goddammit, I'm not going to take it anymore!

Don't even get me started on Howard Stern's attitude towards women (the shock jock, not the "not Anna Baby Daddy" guy.)

DanaC · 04-13-2007, 09:29 AM

Do you consider it appropriate to call black people negros?

Clodfobble · 04-13-2007, 09:34 AM

Awesome link, Beestie.

Clodfobble · 04-13-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Do you consider it appropriate to call black people negros?

In the 60s, it was the preferred term, and "black" was considered offensive and racist.

Ever heard of the United Negro College Fund?

DanaC · 04-13-2007, 09:39 AM

true enough. But this isn't the 60s. It's not about the inherent offensiveness of a word, it's about whether or not it's acceptable to use a term which the group in question finds offensive and which was originally externally imposed upon them.

04-13-2007, 06:43 AM	#19
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I already said this in unpopular opinions but the deal is, Imus was fired for the true ugly things he said about Clinton and Bush not the false ugly things he said about the Rutgers' women. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

04-13-2007, 09:29 AM	#26
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	This painfully liberal human being agrees as well. Someone called a comment into a local paper, saying: Imus is an equal opportunity insulter. That's true. What those girls accomplished should not be minimized. The class they showed afterwards should not be minimized. However, I feel they let some shock jock minimize them by even acknowledging a stupid statement made by someone who is irrelevant to them and their accomplishments. Rkz has it right: color of skin is inconsequential in what kind of person you are. Why do we continually let others' idiocy have any bearing on what we really are? I'm ready for flames, but this whole issue was just stupid. It was a stupid thing to say, it was stupid to overreact, and it's stupid to pretend that only minorities are discriminated against. Pssst...Bruce Willis used the word "broad" referring to women last night on the Letterman show. He also made joking references to how many women he has bedded. I am abhorred, offended, downtrodden. He has demeaned my womanhood with his callous, uncalled for statements. I demand the immediate dismissal of Bruce from whatever contracts he has, I want his new movie pulled from the theaters, and his old ones from the DVD store shelves. I want a public apology, though that won't be enough. I want him stripped of his title "Maxi-Mega Super Star." He has lessened the fact that I was born with a vagina, and goddammit, I'm not going to take it anymore! Don't even get me started on Howard Stern's attitude towards women (the shock jock, not the "not Anna Baby Daddy" guy.) __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby Last edited by Shawnee123; 04-13-2007 at 09:44 AM.

04-13-2007, 01:36 AM	#16
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	You are either an American or you are not. There is only one race, the human one. Your nose or melanin content does not mean shit. Call me a name, since it has to do with Me, it is a compliment... I am awesome! Imus has every right to say what he said, as do everyone to react the way they did. I also agree the double standard for "minorities" is for bigots and fools. If it is not ok for one person, it is not ok for anyone and the reaction should be the same. A cracker is a FL cowboy that uses a whip to drive cattle out of palmettos and scrub. I grew-up as one. There are black, hispanic and white crackers... the term in the vernacular always confused me.

04-13-2007, 01:50 AM	#17
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	First, yes, there is a double standard against whites for use of words but the real double standard is against minorities. There is so much racism against minorities it is really embarrassing and you have the balls to complain about not being able to say a word? Do you have the balls to say this to a mostly non-white forum Merc because I can direct you to one if you want? The fact that this double standard has made such a big deal proves of America's racism. If anything goes against minorities it is seen as normal or covered up while any double standard against whites is the worst thing in the world. If you want to end racism you will have to start with white supremacy because without that, you don't have any other double standards.

04-13-2007, 05:15 AM	#18
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Well said pierce. And Merc of course I recognise my own country's part in history. Nor am I beating on your country when I talk about its historic and current role in racial politics. I feel no guilt for my country's role. I do however recognise my country's role. Its simply a matter of history.

04-13-2007, 07:55 AM	#21
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Imus will be back on the air in a couple of months, you just watch. His co-host had already been fired and re-hired three times for offensive statements.

04-13-2007, 08:25 AM	#23
duck_duck Soul Duck Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: over here Posts: 485	I'm surprised by this whole thing because I hear some of the girls at my school call each other worse names. I would have never known what he said was a racial remark if somebody didn't point it out.

04-13-2007, 09:34 AM	#28
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Awesome link, Beestie.

04-13-2007, 09:39 AM	#30
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	true enough. But this isn't the 60s. It's not about the inherent offensiveness of a word, it's about whether or not it's acceptable to use a term which the group in question finds offensive and which was originally externally imposed upon them.

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