Clinton

[Happy Monkey]

He claims that starting foreign wars is libertarian.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

He claims that starting foreign wars is libertarian.

Removing the obstacles dictatorships present to libertarianism is going to mean removing the dictatorships, no?

To someone who really wants libertarianism around, I don't think it'd matter very much in practice which party shot first. He'd be concerned more with the final outcome of any such struggle -- which may be a protracted-conflict, guerrilla affair. While it's morally comfortable to wait for the antilibertarian dictatorship to initiate the hostilities, there is no guarantee this entity couldn't wipe out the libertarian faction with a first strike, is there? Thus, allowing the opposition the first initiative in violence is dubious in the extreme. Must you sacrifice your founding activists merely to stay in your comfort zone? I doubt they'd go along with that agenda.

You need reminding, apparently, that we did not start the war with Iraq. Iraq managed that all by itself, in 1991, and the present campaign is Part Two. It's one war, put on pause for eleven years by a ceasefire, an armistice. Soldier of Fortune magazine was among the few voices crying in the wilderness through the Nineties, "Finish the job!"

At the risk of boring myself, I'll repeat that it amazes me just how many supposedly intelligent Americans are willing to credit the idea that some other Americans believe Iraq did 9-11. Personally, I can't name a single American who believes that. I've never even heard there are any in my town.

Some turkeys refuse to believe explanations simply because I'm the one making them.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

... it amazes me just how many supposedly intelligent Americans are willing to credit the idea that some other Americans believe Iraq did 9-11. Personally, I can't name a single American who believes that. I've never even heard there are any in my town.

You should listen to yourself talk.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by tw

You should listen to yourself talk.

Oh, I do.* And it's a damn sight more enjoyable than listening to anti-Americans talk, I'll tell ya. I know you're trying to steer us wrong, tw, and I resent it: the America-must-lose faction is an enemy of humanity, and it behooves humanity to dispose of them.

I doubt I'll ever know why you bother. I imagine you could write one of your lengthy explanations, and I'd plod through the whole thing cutting my way through the verbal underbrush, and at the end look you in the eye and say, "You are out of your mind."

*Especially when memorizing lines for a play.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Oh, I do.* And it's a damn sight more enjoyable than listening to anti-Americans talk,

Hey UG - how is Chapter One of Thomas Barnett's book coming. As soon as I read you were reading it, I wondered how far you would get before you realized it criticized your "political agendas". Or was the logic too difficult. But UG - you promised "So far, I'm fascinated. I'll probably be talking about this book's ideas from time to time. ."

You needed Wikipedia to understand Tawana Brawly? No wonder you keep returning Thomas Barnet to the library unread.