A Town Willing To Enforce The Law

[xoxoxoBruce]

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 14 MILLION, tw?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 14 MILLION, tw?

He stated he wants it to be 28 million. Maybe he is illegal or hires them for his business. It is cheaper for the business to do so. A huge savings on anyones bottom line.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 14 MILLION, tw?

The 1.8 simply demonstrate a similar problem that all 28 million will have because too many of us fear rather than act like Americans.

One in three Silicon Valley companies is founded by Indian and Chinese immigrants. What is their largest problem? Why are so many moving operations out of America where possible? America so hates all immigrants that these companies cannot even obtain correct forms to save their people from immigration agents. Remember, it is the immigrants (legal and illegal) that are both some of America's most productive workers AND the source of most future productive workers. So what do we do now that we promote hate and fear? We even drive out of America the high tech standards conferences, research, etc simply because less productive 'citizens' and an equally dumb president would promote myths and fear.

Problem is not the immigrants - legal and illegal - that so many citizens want to drive out (intentionally or by ignorance). Problem is the citizens so fearful and so full of myths (ie they have come for the welfare) as to undermine America's future.

How to solve America's immigrant problem? Get rid of silly restrictions and make them legal. But then government will have to pay tax refunds. Better to promote hate.

What is a more common reason for immigrants who leave America voluntarily? America is too hard. America demands too much work. The immigrants that leave go back to countries where life is easier. But again, those who *know* using myths will completely ignore this reality.

The illegal immigrant problem is really hate promoted by extremist wings of political parties. As was demonstrated in one mid west state, when illegal immigrants were driven out, that entire part of the state then went into recession. Finally the residents demanded Immigration agents leave – so they could save their economy - rehire illegal immigrants. That history has also been repeated in Europe. Realities that those who promote hate and fear also forget to learn.

[xoxoxoBruce]

28 million, day-am. Thats one hell of a social services bill. I wonder how many are on welfare? Probably about the same proportion as the general population. Medical services are really expensive, though..... just for the kids born here that are legal.
Hey, that's an idea...tell 'em when they are caught they will be deported and banned forever, but were keeping the kids for farm labor. heh, heh, heh.
No I'm not serious, but I'll bet I raised some hackles, right Blue?

Yeah, I've heard the mid-western state thing before, but never seen any evidence it's not an old wives tale. You know, it wouldn't hurt to have a peer reviewed study proving there were no factors other than rounding up the criminals, had any effect?
Bet you haven't either.

[bluecuracao]

Oh, bwa ha ha...'specially the part about the welfare.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

28 million, day-am. Thats one hell of a social services bill. I wonder how many are on welfare? Probably about the same proportion as the general population.

Social services are mostly spent on American citizens. Immigrants are here because they want to work. Social services do more for less money in other countries. Why would they come here for social services when, as illegals, they risk being deported. And yet still, the common myth is they are stealing social services.

How do reduce America's tax burden for social services? Double the number of illegal immigrants. Then governments get richer. Then the percentage of people dependent on social services goes down. Then companies who supply social services can find people to do that work.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

Social services are mostly spent on American citizens. Immigrants are here because they want to work. Social services do more for less money in other countries. Why would they come here for social services when, as illegals, they risk being deported. And yet still, the common myth is they are stealing social services.

The hospitals are essentially prevented from calling ICE. The few doctors that I know who have called are ignored. If you don't think that they come here to have thier babies you are wrong. Once the baby is born it is a naturalized citizen. Part of the grand plan.

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

If you don't think that they come here to have thier babies you are wrong. Once the baby is born it is a naturalized citizen. Part of the grand plan.

Like cats who sneak into other people's sheds to have their kittens...?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

Like cats who sneak into other people's sheds to have their kittens...?

The same, but thank God multiple birth in humans is less common.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

--snip--Once the baby is born it is a citizen. Part of the grand plan.

corrected.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by BigV

corrected.

Correct, thanks. Naturalized is what the parents should want to be, but I am not convinced that many do.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

Social services are mostly spent on American citizens. Immigrants are here because they want to work. Social services do more for less money in other countries. Why would they come here for social services when, as illegals, they risk being deported. And yet still, the common myth is they are stealing social services.

Oh... you missed post 87 and a hundred similar articles that have been posted or linked in the threads on immigration. tw, you're eyes are brown.

[tw]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Oh... you missed post 87 and a hundred similar articles that have been posted or linked in the threads on immigration. tw, you're eyes are brown.

I only ignore silly lies and personal biases posted as if fact. Facts are otherwise. When illegal immigrants are removed, an economy goes into recession. Why? Most productive people in regional econmies include the illegals.

Most severe drain on social services are Americans. Illegals are only a drain where "I feel" gets perverted as if fact. Facts in NE were blunt. As soon as immigration cracked down on illegals, the resulting recession was so bad that local governments asked immigration agents to leave. That is reality. Illegals are only a drain on social services when emotionals see what they want to see. Meanwhile illegals are some of the most product members in local economies.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

I only ignore silly lies and personal biases posted as if fact. Facts are otherwise. When illegal immigrants are removed, an economy goes into recession. Why? Most productive people in regional econmies include the illegals.

Most severe drain on social services are Americans. Illegals are only a drain where "I feel" gets perverted as if fact. Facts in NE were blunt. As soon as immigration cracked down on illegals, the resulting recession was so bad that local governments asked immigration agents to leave. That is reality. Illegals are only a drain on social services when emotionals see what they want to see. Meanwhile illegals are some of the most product members in local economies.

Good propaganda from an illegal alien point of view. It serves them to make people fear that their absence will somehow cause the economy to collapse. Fear mongering does not change the fact that they are breaking the law and draining our nation of vital opportunities to repair our over stretched social systems straining to support these people at great cost to the US taxpayers.



Immigration Issue Centers : Illegal Immigration
Social Security Funds for Illegal Aliens?
“Adding millions of lawbreakers to the Social Security system would be a slap in the face to our retirees. Why should we bend over backwards for those who broke our laws to work in this country while shortchanging the needs of hardworking Americans and legal immigrants who have put money into the Social Security system for decades? With Social Security in financial trouble, it is totally insane even to think about adding millions and millions of alien lawbreakers into the system. Congress must act now to pass H.R. 1631 and keep this travesty from happening."
— Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) [1]
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServe...suecenters3acf

A significant portion of rising health premiums is due to subsidizing the medical costs of uninsured illegal aliens.

As detailed in Illegal aliens threaten U.S. medical system between 1993 and 2003, 60 California hospitals closed because half their services were unpaid. Another 24 California hospitals are on the verge of closure. Both PA and NJ hospitals recently reported that they provided almost $2 billion in free emergency and short term care services, in large part to illegal aliens. Minnesota county commissioners say that the cost of medical care for uninsured immigrants is too high for local governments to bear and they expect a $4.2 billion budget shortfall over the next two years. NC has about $1.4 billion in un-reimbursed hospital expenses annually. The Texas Hospital Association directly spent $393 million treating illegal aliens in 2002. One third of the patients treated by the LA County Health System are illegal aliens and the system is facing a $300 million deficient. In AZ, the Southeast Arizona Medical Center had a $1 billion shortfall and recently filled for bankruptcy.

http://www.smalltowndefenders.com/public/node/114

For American farmers, the answer has been to keep importing workers—which has now made the farmers more vulnerable to foreign competition, since even minimum-wage immigrant workers can’t compete with produce picked on farms in China, Chile, or Turkey and shipped here cheaply. A flood of low-priced Turkish raisins several years ago produced a glut in the United States that sharply drove down prices and knocked some farms out of business, shrinking total acreage in California devoted to the crop by one-fifth, or some 50,000 acres. The farms that survived are now moving to mechanize swiftly, realizing that no amount of cheap immigrant labor will make them competitive.

As foreign competition and mechanization shrink manufacturing and farmworker jobs, low-skilled immigrants are likely to wind up farther on the margins of our economy, where many already operate. For example, although only about 12 percent of construction workers are foreign-born, 100,000 to 300,000 illegal immigrants have carved a place for themselves as temporary workers on the fringes of the industry. In urban areas like New York and Los Angeles, these mostly male illegal immigrants gather on street corners, in empty lots, or in Home Depot parking lots to sell their labor by the hour or the day, for $7 to $11 an hour.

That’s far below what full-time construction workers earn, and for good reason. Unlike the previous generations of immigrants who built America’s railroads or great infrastructure projects like New York’s bridges and tunnels, these day laborers mostly do home-improvement projects. A New York study, for instance, found that four in ten employers who hire day laborers are private homeowners or renters wanting help with cleanup chores, moving, or landscaping. Another 56 percent were contractors, mostly small, nonunion shops, some owned by immigrants themselves, doing short-term, mostly residential work. The day laborer’s market, in other words, has turned out to be a boon for homeowners and small contractors offering their residential clients a rock-bottom price, but a big chunk of the savings comes because low-wage immigration has produced such a labor surplus that many of these workers are willing to take jobs without benefits and with salaries far below industry norms.

Because so much of our legal and illegal immigrant labor is concentrated in such fringe, low-wage employment, its overall impact on our economy is extremely small. A 1997 National Academy of Sciences study estimated that immigration’s net benefit to the American economy raises the average income of the native-born by only some $10 billion a year—about $120 per household. And that meager contribution is not the result of immigrants helping to build our essential industries or making us more competitive globally but instead merely delivering our pizzas and cutting our grass. Estimates by pro-immigration forces that foreign workers contribute much more to the economy, boosting annual gross domestic product by hundreds of billions of dollars, generally just tally what immigrants earn here, while ignoring the offsetting effect they have on the wages of native-born workers.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_...s_economy.html

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by tw

I only ignore silly lies and personal biases posted as if fact. Facts are otherwise. When illegal immigrants are removed, an economy goes into recession. Why? Most productive people in regional econmies include the illegals.

Sure, who better to scare into making you richer than someone afraid of the INS.

Most severe drain on social services are Americans. Illegals are only a drain where "I feel" gets perverted as if fact. Facts in NE were blunt. As soon as immigration cracked down on illegals, the resulting recession was so bad that local governments asked immigration agents to leave. That is reality.

Care to cite that happening?

Illegals are only a drain on social services when emotionals see what they want to see.

Only facts you post are really facts, everyone that post contradictory facts are to emotional to be believed. Well, excuuuuuuuse me.

Meanwhile illegals are some of the most product members in local economies.

You keep saying that. You must really like oppressing them.

By the way, that bullshit about the government making money on unclaimed refunds paid in federal tax?
How many people that don't have a mortgage and filled out the W-4 form properly, get a refund? Pretty few I'll bet.

Even though you want to exploit illegals so you can get your veggies cheaper that doesn't make them stupid.
If you knew you were illegal and weren't going to file, no less get a refund, wouldn't you pad the W-4 form with plenty of Dependants to minimize the tax bite? Well since you couldn't figure it out, I guess the illegals are smarter than you.