House, 218 to 212, Votes to Set Date for Iraq Pullout

[elSicomoro]

Am I the only person that a) Doesn't see our pullout as necessarily a failure? and b) Doesn't really care if we "lost" anyway, because we're bound to lose a few battles?

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Am I the only person that a) Doesn't see our pullout as necessarily a failure? and b) Doesn't really care if we "lost" anyway, because we're bound to lose a few battles?

Let's see. We "lost" Vietnam. Currently, Vietnam is a trading partner of the United States.

We have 58,000 names on the Vietnam War memorial. 30 years after the war we are buying tea and fish from our former enemies, the ones who 'won' the war.

Could we have stopped at 10,20,30,40,000 and gotten the same results? How many more would it have taken for us to 'win'?

I still see people interviewed who think if we had been willing to sustain more losses we could have won Vietnam. Many of them are people who never served there.

SO, the question becomes how many more dead and wounded for a 'win' in Iraq? What constitutes a win?