Innovating out of global warming

[Griff]

Your point about one persons impact is well taken, but it reminds me of listening to a good friend pontificate on the value of public transport while we drove his (Valdez class) Montero through backwoods PA.

We do need to get off fossil fuels for many reasons and I'm just as frustrated as global warmers about that.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by glatt

Maybe he thinks he can make the largest impact on this problem by doing what he is doing as a politician, rather than making changes in his personal life that will have a relatively small impact on a global scale.

Plus, one reason his energy bill is so large is that he pays extra for green energy.

[Griff]

The other is that he uses a silly number of kilowatts per month, but it's okay because he is part of the ruling class and really really cares.

[Undertoad]

[piercehawkeye45]

How does how much energy Gore uses have anything to do with global warming? It is just a cheap shot that brings no significance to the argument.

Also, how can anyone be so sure that they are right about global warming when we don't have proof of any reason?

[Griff]

My family of four used about 6720 kWh last year.

Generating electricity is how most CO^2 is freed up.

[BigV]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Maybe we could just all follow ole Al "I invented the internet" Gore's example and own 4 houses and jet around the world in a private plane. Or use 22 times the average anual expenditure of energy in one month for one house. Hey that's the ticket. Follo ole Al's lead.

You're right. "ole Al"'s the debbil. Speaking of the former Vice President, this just in:

In the pay of hostile foreign powers, a turncoat former government official turned foreign agent violates US House rules, breaches House security. Conservatively erring on the side of caution, Georgia Republican Lynn Westmoreland warned “He could have been here talking about chipmunks”.

Thank goodness *someone’s* looking out for the good of the country!

[tw]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

How does how much energy Gore uses have anything to do with global warming?

It demonstrates how destructive we all will be if we stifle innovation - as an MBA like George Jr advocates.

Why are Japanese and German autos so much in demand all over the world? Because they innovated - installed technologies that create less pollution - are therefore more reliable, cost less to build, cost less to operate, and create more jobs - for them. Where did those innovations come from? Mostly from America in companies that insisted cars don't pollute and therefore stifled American innovations.

Why does GM not have overhead cams, 70 Hp/liter engines, and hybrids? Those innovations that make less pollution, consume less energy, make people more productive, even eliminate the $130 tune up every three months ... all resulted because those American innovations, instead, appeared in foreign products.

Why in foreign products? Same mentality that stifled American innovation in the 1970s again wants to stifle innovation in 2000s. Same people who insisted auto pollution control was not possible now deny global warming. At what point are we condemned to relive a history we did not learn from?

What does a 'global warming does not exist' mentality have in common with those 1970 auto execs? Both insisted that environmental solutions would destroy jobs, destroy the economy, and have us all driving Pintos. Therefore others now have our jobs and stronger industries in their economies. At what point do those who 'deny global warming' stop stifling innovation to destroy American jobs, strength, wealth, and health?

We are supposed to learn from history. History says nations who confront global warming and who therefore innovate will be world leaders - richer, wealthier, healthier, dominant, better respected, with more jobs, and with royalty incomes from those other nations who did not innovate.

Al Gores household today is what we all will be doing twenty years from now if we deny - stifle innovation. Why does Al Gore's household consume so much power? Where are the innovations to eliminate the problem? Well, considering how many Americans are now thinking like Rush Limbaugh, just more products we will have to buy from foreigners. Just more industries that must collapse like GM and big steel only because they were anti-Americans; feared to innovate.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

How does how much energy Gore uses have anything to do with global warming? It is just a cheap shot that brings no significance to the argument.

Bull shit. The President wana-bee should not be telling me to clean up my act as he jets around the country from one of his four houses to the next. If he uses the same amount of energy in one month (green house gas emission) as I use in a year, he is a hypocrite and needs to STFU. Pretty simple to me.

[glatt]

If the cheap shot doesn't appear to be working, by all means, go ahead and take another one, Mercenary.

[tw]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Bull shit. The President wana-bee should not be telling me to clean up my act as he jets around the country from one of his four houses to the next. If he uses the same amount of energy in one month (green house gas emission) as I use in a year, he is a hypocrite and needs to STFU. Pretty simple to me.

IOW TheMercenary hates innovation; loves the status quo. No way around that post. TheMercenary hates innovation - that which characterizes and defines a patriotic American. So what does that define TheMercenary as?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by glatt

If the cheap shot doesn't appear to be working, by all means, go ahead and take another one, Mercenary.

He's got a point. Same with Prince Charles coming to Philly then New York, with his whole gang, to accept that award for his environmental goodness. while in the process, caused enough extra energy use by the police and people sitting in traffic jams, to start a war over.

Acceptance of the message has a lot to do with the messenger.... like it or not, that's the way the world works. It will be accepted or rejected on trust, faith in the messenger, because people won't dig for the basis of the message. And in this case, the more they dig the more confusing it gets.

tw, going off on real Americans, true patriots, that 70hp per liter horseshit, MBAs, the lying prez, yada, yada, yada, doesn't win friends and influence people either.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by tw

IOW TheMercenary hates innovation; loves the status quo. No way around that post. TheMercenary hates innovation - that which characterizes and defines a patriotic American. So what does that define TheMercenary as?

What are you? Like 20 years old? How would you draw such conclusions?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by glatt

If the cheap shot doesn't appear to be working, by all means, go ahead and take another one, Mercenary.

The truth behind the messengers double standard are blantent and difficult to accept. I understand your desire to stick your head in the sand as the message is important. But you need to take a closer look at the man behind the curtain.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Acceptance of the message has a lot to do with the messenger.... like it or not, that's the way the world works.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

The truth behind the messengers double standard are blantent and difficult to accept.

Gore is hardly the only messenger on global warming. It him and how many thousands of scientists?