Affirmative Action Unnecessary?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

For every racist white person you find I can show you a black who is equally racist.

A racist white person can keep a minority out of a good job while a racist minority can't do much.

AA should only be a temporary solution to a bigger problem but all it is a cover up to make it seem that we care about minorities just like black hisotry month. If we wanted to help the minorities we would make it easier for them to get the qualifications most white people have but that is too much work and the racist agenda wouldn't approve of it.

Being against AA isn't racist but denying the fact that minorities are at a disavantage is.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

If we wanted to help the minorities we would make it easier for them to get the qualifications most white people have but that is too much work and the racist agenda wouldn't approve of it.

Isn't that exactly what AA does...?

[piercehawkeye45]

Originally Posted by Kitsune

Isn't that exactly what AA does...?

It gives jobs to people without the qualifications. If we made it easier for minorities to gain qualifications then we wouldn't have to worry about AA.

We need to start paying more attention to the inner city and not just ignore it.

[Kitsune]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

It gives jobs to people without the qualifications.

I still don't see that. Please explain how AA accomplishes this.

[bluecuracao]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

It gives jobs to people without the qualifications.

Affirmative Action doesn't do that--the people doing the hiring might do that, if they don't want to bother to find a minority/female/disabled person who is qualified. It's really not that difficult, either.

Plus, the NON-minorities/etc. that are hired are not necessarily all qualified, either.

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

We need to start paying more attention to the inner city and not just ignore it.

Agreed. Though overall, it sure wouldn't hurt if, say, all public schools had all the resources they needed.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

A racist white person can keep a minority out of a good job while a racist minority can't do much.

AA should only be a temporary solution to a bigger problem but all it is a cover up to make it seem that we care about minorities just like black hisotry month. If we wanted to help the minorities we would make it easier for them to get the qualifications most white people have but that is too much work and the racist agenda wouldn't approve of it.

Being against AA isn't racist but denying the fact that minorities are at a disavantage is.

Tough crap. I say pull your self up and stop looking for hand outs and entitlements to get ahead in life. We have created generations of scumbags getting ahead based on the color of their skin expecting that society owes them something because of it. When very smart people who are not black are denied advancement just to promote a person of color for that fact alone the system is broken and we have created a system of reverse discrimination. Minorities need to figure out how to get the qualifications by working harder to compete regardless of color. I will celebrate Black history month the day we have white history month. There are thousands of places in the US where white people are a minority. Do they get handouts and preferential treatment? No. Sorry folks, AA has seen its time come and gone, I have lived it, and it is time to bury it with the idea that every negro in the US is somehow entitled to compensation because they are black. Our society is so integrated that there is absolutely a tiny minority of people who can actually prove that they are related to someone who is a slave. I really think that Al Sharpton and Jessie "PUSH" Jackson do not need help to get ahead in life.

[bluecuracao]

You're not paying very much attention, are you, Mr. Mercenary? Ah well, too bad for you.

[Spexxvet]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Tough crap. I say pull your self up and stop looking for hand outs and entitlements to get ahead in life. We have created generations of scumbags ...

Scumbag recipe:

Take two job candidates with equivalent qualifications.
One's name should sound "white", the other "black".
Call 50% more candidates with "white" sounding names for an interview than the ones with "black" sounding names.
Bang your head against the wall, if you're black.

To test whether employers discriminate against black job applicants, Marianne Bertrand of the University of Chicago and Sendhil Mullainathan of M.I.T. conducted an unusual experiment. They selected 1,300 help-wanted ads from newspapers in Boston and Chicago and submitted multiple resumes from� phantom job seekers. The researchers randomly assigned the first names on the resumes, choosing from one set that is particularly common among blacks and from another that is common among whites.

So Kristen and Tamika, and Brad and Tyrone, applied for jobs from the same pool of want ads and had� equivalent resumes. Nine names were selected to represent each category: black women, white women, black men and white men. Last names common to the racial group were also assigned. Four resumes were typically submitted for each job opening, drawn from a reservoir of 160. Nearly 5,000 applications were submitted from mid-2001 to mid-2002. Professors Bertrand and Mullainathan kept track of which candidates were invited for job interviews.

No single employer was sent two identical resumes, and the names on the resumes were randomly assigned, so applicants with black- and white-sounding names applied for the same set of jobs with the same set of resumes.

Apart from their names, applicants had the same experience, education and skills, so employers had no reason to distinguish among them.

The results are disturbing. Applicants with white-sounding names were 50 percent more likely to be called for interviews than were those with black-sounding names. Interviews were requested for 10.1 percent of applicants with white-sounding names and only 6.7 percent of those with black-sounding names.

from here.

[glatt]

"So Kristen and Tamika, and Brad and Tyrone, applied for jobs from the same pool of want ads and had equivalent resumes."

I smell something funny here. What is an "equivalent" resume? They obviously didn't use identical resumes, or the HR person screening them would see that they had two applicants from the same school with the same major and the same jobs in their past.

I'd like to see these "equivalent resumes."

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Scumbag recipe:

Take two job candidates with equivalent qualifications.
One's name should sound "white", the other "black".
Call 50% more candidates with "white" sounding names for an interview than the ones with "black" sounding names.
Bang your head against the wall, if you're black.

Imagine that.
Good reason to reconsider what you name your kids, don't you think? But for some reason the need or desire to name your newborn child an ethnic name which the average person cannot pronouce or spell.