The Soul of Man Under Socialism

[piercehawkeye45]

I strongly disagree. I have worked and gone to class... Again, I have never been in a class or office without someone working to improve.
It is not the exception, it is the norm.

I think we were talking about different things with this unless I totally missed something from your post. Are you saying that people are all over the US are working to improve their social status? I would agree with this. I don't think people everywhere are going from lower class to multi-millionaires but are jumping from lower lower class to upper lower class. Do you not think that the children of these people deserve to get as good of an education as the people in the upper middle class?

How do you take the advantage away from the rich child? I am very curious about this.

I am against banning private and home schooling. If someone has the money to send their kids to private schools then by all means send them but an inner city public school should be at least close to a suburban public school. Right now the differences are astronomical. As I said before, we can't just throw money into inner city schools and expect it to fix itself; we will have to find all the social problems (you named a good amount), and try to work on fixing those. Many of them we can not solve but our first goal should be to try end the poverty trap.

Originally Posted by Aliantha

The way you see it is the way it is from your perspective rkz. Only yours. Oh for sure there are others who think the way you do, but not everyone.

As to America, well I'm applying my argument to Australia. Being a country based on a democratic, two party system, I'd say the same argument applies.

Yes there are opportunities for people to take up and yes I sometimes look at the news and think, "why doesn't that arsehole go get a job instead of complaining about what the government doesn't give him". Over here there are people who live their whole lives on welfare or who get no welfare because they're homeless. The thing is, in Australia, BECAUSE of the social services offered, there's no reason for people to be homeless. That is a fact. And yet people are. Is it easier to have no home? I doubt it. The persecution alone would be enough to make most people stop being homeless. So why do people choose to be homeless? Without writing a thesis, that's something I can't answer.

The thing is, you can't say it's ok to make a personal choice and then condemn someone for making a choice you don't like. You can't condemn someone from a disadvantaged background who doesn't choose to take the same path as you.

As to America being built by self-made men and women. I wonder what the indigenous inhabitants have to say about that?

I am not condemning anyone? How are you reading that into my posts?
Many of the homeless are mentally ill, it is something that is rarely addressed and needs to be.
I was born here and have been discussing it with you.
Apache and Cherokee are a decent size of my make-up, but I don't think that means anything. The local native Americas tend to be FAR richer than everyone else... you like to gamble? You smoke?

Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I think we were talking about different things with this unless I totally missed something from your post. Are you saying that people are all over the US are working to improve their social status? I would agree with this. I don't think people everywhere are going from lower class to multi-millionaires but are jumping from lower lower class to upper lower class. Do you not think that the children of these people deserve to get as good of an education as the people in the upper middle class?


I am against banning private and home schooling. If someone has the money to send their kids to private schools then by all means send them but an inner city public school should be at least close to a suburban public school. Right now the differences are astronomical. As I said before, we can't just throw money into inner city schools and expect it to fix itself; we will have to find all the social problems (you named a good amount), and try to work on fixing those. Many of them we can not solve but our first goal should be to try end the poverty trap.

I don't see where comparing everyone to millionaires is valid.
Yes, it would be great if everyone could have the same education, and we should work toward that, and I think we are working toward that (at least until Every Child Left Behind) but we will get rid of it soon. Our schools get better every year, the stats you see on television are skewed, just like violence, murder, etc... all those are down and have been going down for years, but the press finds one bad number and does it's best to sell fear because it raises their numbers. If our schools were so bad other nations would not be doing what they can to send their kids here to get an education.
If people want that kind of education for their kids they are going to have to do their best to see to it that their community school gets what it needs by getting involved or moving to a better district. The first thing we did when looking for our home the last time we moved before this one, checked the schools.

Inner city schools.....who is "we". I taught in a poor district. It is not just the school. If your kids are fighting, refusing to do their work and not in class half the time, it is NOT the school nor the teacher's fault, nor is it the school's job to raise the kids.