Does this mean we have to invade them, too?

[tw]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Hussein attempted full-scale genocide on them.

Genocide only when it was convenient or necessary to make a point. Remember the 'oil for food' corruption? Who did Saddam contract with to run that operation? Various factions of Kurds. Saddam even played one off on the other to get better deals for his smuggling operations into Turkey.

Kurds were not a people to massacre. They were people to use. Saddam played the three Kurdish factions against each other for great profit and with great skill. Massacres were only part of a larger program to keep the country subservient.

Meanwhile, fact remains. Americans were not welcome as the liberators so promoted by myths in America. Some sections welcomed those Americans. Others did not. And after 6 months - when it became obvious George Jr had not planned for the peace - even disbanded the Army, police and Baath party members - then Iraqis were attacking Americans daily.

Some numbers that would not be possible if Iraqis wanted to be liberated: August 2004- 3000 attacks on Americans every day. September 2004 - 2500 attacks per day. January 2005 - 3000 attacks per day. May 2005 - 2000 attacks per day. Clearly Iraqis love Americans? Clearly we have made the country better now that 90 Iraqis are known to be killed daily this past year - in a country so full of missing people with maybe one million having left as refugees. Did they leave - or are their bodies elsewhere?

This is a country that welcomes Americans?

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by tw

Genocide only when it was convenient or necessary to make a point.
Kurds were not a people to massacre. Massacres were only part of a larger program to keep the country subservient.
Americans were not welcome as the liberators so promoted by myths in America. Some sections welcomed those Americans.

You even contradict yourself in the same post.

[tw]

Originally Posted by yesman065

You even contradict yourself in the same post.

Yes, if my world was only 'black and white', then I contradicted myself. But welcome to a world of reality - with many shades of gray. To appreciate what was posted, learn the many shades that match what was posted. If thinking in 'black and white', then nothing in that post will make sense. If thinking in 'black and white', then you will never appreciate the genius of Saddam to so dominate and control his country. Good or evil - makes no difference. How he manipulated the so many people (rather than massacre them) is an example of poltiical genius. Genius come good or bad. But I should not have to explain that part again either.

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by tw

How he manipulated the so many people (rather than massacre them) is an example of poltiical genius. Genius come good or bad. But I should not have to explain that part again either.

You don't have to explain it - It isn't necessarily true - thats my point! That is just your OPINION nothing more, nothing less. Just because you are enamored with what he accomplished doesn't mean shit. Its just your opinion - you seem to have the two confused - an opinion does not equal a fact, just like most of the info you tout as gospel - they are just a persons interpretation of some raw data not always accurate nor factual.