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Old 01-08-2007, 09:20 PM   #1
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Israel is kind of harsh on leakers they don't want to leak. They will hunt you down to every corner of the planet, kidnap you and cart you back to Israel to sit in prison. It probably doesn't even matter if your leak is true.

So, two probabilities. One is that it was intentionally leaked. The timing seems right for such a thing.

The other possibility is that the reporter(s) involved are making it up:
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Mahnaimi makes a regular habit of reporting that Israel is about to attack Iran. If his reporting was accurate, Iranian nuclear facilities would already be a smoking ruin – not once, but multiple times.

On July 18, 2004, he wrote: Israel targets Iran nuclear plant
On December 11, 2005, he wrote: Israel Readies Force to Strike on Nuclear Iran

So when it comes to Israel attacking Iranian nukes, Mahnaimi can be viewed as the reporter who cries wolf.

An unrelated story that nonetheless casts a big shadow on his credibility was published in 1998 when he reported on the Sunday Times front page that Israel was working on an “ethnically targeted” biological weapon that would kill or harm Arabs but not Jews quoting “Israeli military and western intelligence sources.”
It probably doesn't matter, flip a coin.
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Old 01-09-2007, 03:24 AM   #2
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Israel is kind of harsh on leakers they don't want to leak. They will hunt you down to every corner of the planet, kidnap you and cart you back to Israel to sit in prison. It probably doesn't even matter if your leak is true.

So, two probabilities. One is that it was intentionally leaked. The timing seems right for such a thing.

The other possibility is that the reporter(s) involved are making it up: It probably doesn't matter, flip a coin.
From your source: "We have the military option and the fact that we can fly to Gibraltar shows that we have the range. It’s in your interest to get back to the negotiation tables."

Reality shows that this strategy isn't working at all. The more sabre rattling the more defiant Iran is and the more support Ahmadinejad gets. Due to it's geographics Israel is very vulnerable for a first strike. Air strikes won't solve the problem at all, it will only emphasize it.

So if this story ain't true, then what is the US/Israel strategy? Maybe the fact that Negroponte was replaced by McConnell at the NIE could indicate things. As National Intelligence Director Negroponte countered the administration position that Iran was an immediate threat and that its alleged nuclear weapons program was in an advanced stage. McConnell is another Cheney-puppet who will go anywhere the Vice-President will tell him to go.
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Old 01-09-2007, 06:54 PM   #3
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So if this story ain't true, then what is the US/Israel strategy? Maybe the fact that Negroponte was replaced by McConnell at the NIE could indicate things. As National Intelligence Director Negroponte countered the administration position that Iran was an immediate threat and that its alleged nuclear weapons program was in an advanced stage.
In order for Iran's program to move forward at George Jr's accelerated prediction, manufacture and installation of fine tolerance centrifuges had to be on the order of thousands - maybe tens of thousands. Based upon intelligence, Iran apparently only has enough manufacturing to maybe (worst case) make a prototype bomb. Iran may also have been using a process that is crude - not extremely productive as George Jr people assume.

Of course, the US has been building nuclear bombs to attack these bunkers. This was part of a program originally intended to "Pearl Harbor" Iran in 2006. But then things fell apart. Bases and cooperative governments necessary for the northern attack were lost. Iraqi's got patriotic and started attacking their common enemy - Americans. American military is now woefully short of equipment and abilities. Afghanistan was falling to the Taliban. And in America, people were finally acknowledging facts that were known to the administration in late 2003 - we were losing "Mission Accomplished".

Iran is only a threat if the US continues to empower Iranian extremists. Iran is much like Cuba. As long as the US rattles sabers, then the government only becomes more powerful. How does the US get spies in Iran? We stop all this militaristic nonsense; stop empowering people like Chavez of Venezuela with wacko 'them is evil' rhetoric. We let nationalism rise up and demand reforms. We let our friendly Arab neighbors tell us what is really happening. None of that could happen with George Jr's lying administration.

Unfortunately, Iran may become a nuclear power. Time to have averted that may have long past - required a president with intelligence. But continuing same mistakes will only guarantee a nuclear Iran. Even the George Jr administration has quietly conceded to a viable solution - and that means cooperation from Russia and China. Cooperation that only started after the US stopped its 'big dic' threats and the intention to 'Pearl Harbor' Iran imploded.

Israel has options. But that too means Israel must put its own house in order so as to be talking diplomatically rather than rattling sabers even against Palestinians. The Arab League does not want a nuclear Iran. But why say anything when Israel's actions imply a greater threat to all? ‘Big dic’ actions of Israel (encouraged and financially supported by American extremists Christians) only make it easier for Iran to have time and find material to make nuclear processing equipment.

Apparently Iran has far less centrifuges than George Jr's administration proclaimed. Again, subverting intelligence for a political agenda is a Cheney / Rumsfeld modus operandi. Denouncing and firing anyone who says otherwise was also standard procedure by those who somehow know using a political agenda.
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