Massacre in Haditha: Eight Marines Charged With Killing 24 Iraqis

[yesman065]

C'mon Phil, seriously. Did you expect 100's and 100's of years of repression and tyranny to just go away in a year or two?

[Phil]

Originally Posted by yesman065

C'mon Phil, seriously. Did you expect 100's and 100's of years of repression and tyranny to just go away in a year or two?

of course not, but i tend to think of the civilians who have lost their lives and the relatives left to mourn, and the repercussions of the invasion; not the possibility of the almighty dollar taking precedence over people.
i actually agree with what you say - the world will have to wait many years to witness the result of an enormous fuck up by America and the allied trrops. there were other ways to deal with Saddam Hussein.

[xoxoxoBruce]

The problem of comparing, what was done vs the result, to what could have been done is that result of the second is speculation.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

The problem of comparing, what was done vs the result, to what could have been done is that result of the second is speculation.

so what should be done now, after the damage has been caused and the world has been made even less safe and governments are eroding civil liberties in the name of security?

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by Phil

the world will have to wait many years to witness the result of an enormous fuck up by America and the allied trrops.

Not sure of that just yet - again we cannot know if it was actually a good thing to happen or the worst. I fear the latter, but hold hope of something vaguely resembling the former.

Originally Posted by Phil

there were other ways to deal with Saddam Hussein.

Yeah, George Sr. Should have NOT listened to the cowtowing liberal BS and finished the job the first time.

Originally Posted by Phil

so what should be done now, after the damage has been caused and the world has been made even less safe and governments are eroding civil liberties in the name of security?

Whether "the World" is less safe or not is another issue for debate. It takes time, a lot of time for a culture, society and its peoples attitudes to come around. Oh and how were the Iraqi civil liberties eroded? They have'nt had any under Saddam!

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by yesman065

Yeah, George Sr. Should have NOT listened to the cowtowing liberal BS and finished the job the first time.

The catch 22 is that the intelligence that Bush 1 might have brought in to the invasion is what kept him from becoming an occupation force in the first place.

[yesman065]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

The catch 22 is that the intelligence that Bush 1 might have brought in to the invasion is what kept him from becoming an occupation force in the first place.

Intelligence as in smarts - if so I disagree, however if you mean information - I think our entire nation & the coalition forces got caught up in the wonderment of kickin Iraqs ass so easily that we lost sight of the poor civilians we left behind to fend for themselves.

[Phil]

Originally Posted by yesman065

Not sure of that just yet - again we cannot know if it was actually a good thing to happen or the worst. I fear the latter, but hold hope of something vaguely resembling the former.

Yeah, George Sr. Should have NOT listened to the cowtowing liberal BS and finished the job the first time.

Whether "the World" is less safe or not is another issue for debate. It takes time, a lot of time for a culture, society and its peoples attitudes to come around. Oh and how were the Iraqi civil liberties eroded? They have'nt had any under Saddam!

no no, i mean American and British civil liberties.